Attestation de recensement for BAC

[HoneySuckleDreams]

I found a sinlge old thread about this on the forum but with no real outcome from the OP

We've just had a problem where my son has been told he needs it before he takes the BAC exams, the mayor has said that as he is not french he can't have one. So...what do we need to ask for? We're the only brits in the village so he probably hasn't had to deal with this before, so we just need to ask the right question to get the right piece of paper back.

Has anyone else got a "proper" piece of paper?

[NormanH]

Les candidats de nationalité étrangère peuvent s'inscrire à l'examen du baccalauréat. Encore une fois, le bac est ouvert à toutes et tous.

 Source

http://www.sos-devoirs-corriges.com/component/content/article/83-inscription-bac-eleve-cned-candidat-libre

I know of several English people whose children have taken the Bac.

I would have to contact them, but if nobody else comes up with a first-hand confirmation I will do so.

In any case this is a matter for the Rectorat, not for the Mayor.

This seems to be confused with

http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F870.xhtml  

which is a different thiing, despite the phrase 'Cette formalité est obligatoire pour pouvoir se présenter aux concours et examens publics.'

That is really about declaring the young person for this

For the Bac:

Inscription, affectation et convocation des candidats

A - Inscription des candidats

Les recteurs arrêtent les modalités d'inscription des candidats au baccalauréat, conformément aux principes qui suivent.

Sauf

dérogation accordée par le recteur, les candidats doivent se présenter

dans l'académie où ils ont accompli leur dernière année d'études avant

l'examen

http://www.education.gouv.fr/pid25535/bulletin_officiel.html?cid_bo=59783

You might also  look at this :Les examens

Un jeune étranger scolarisé

a le droit de s'inscrire à un examen.

Certains candidats étrangers

peuvent cependant ne pas être en mesure d'obtenir une pièce d'identité.

Etant scolarisés, ils devront au moins présenter un certificat de

scolarité très récent, avec une photographie, certifiée

par le chef d'établissement d'origine.

3) Les stages en entreprises

http://www.education.gouv.fr/bo/2002/special10/default.htm

I would suggest having a word with the CPE at the lycée.

[HoneySuckleDreams]

Thank you Norman, a full and interesting reply as usual.

He has gone to Lycee today to see what he can find out about it. I'm not sure of the context when he was told. It might have been that the full class were asked to provide the attestation, whereupon he probably thought it was just a matter of going to the Marie to get it (like an attestation of residence).

Looking at other forums there are similar tales from young étrangers, (portugese mostly!).

The link to http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F870.xhtml   makes reference to needing it when you enrol into a driving school. He wasn't asked for anything then so I think it's just him getting into a flap about nothing.

 Anyway, we await his return.

[NormanH]

I spoke to two teachers at out local Lycée at lunch today who were certain that there would be no problem.

[Lehaut]

Our son took his BAC this year without the recensement certificate without any problem. We have now got French citizenship and he has got the certificate retrospectively, thought he has not yet done the day with the relative organisation!

[HoneySuckleDreams]

panic over. He doesn't need anything. It would have been a nice gesture to tell him so 3 days ago, it would have helped his stress levels.

However, thanks for all your input.

[NormanH]

I hate the way some schools in France treat their pupils, and am always ready to take them on!

Good news for him.

[Lehaut]

Having two children fully integrated into the system, as after 16 years we are beginning to be, I am of the opinion that many things that those in authority do are not done with any degree of deliberate maleficence but out of ignorance/lack of experience. Most French teachers (not all), leave Lycée, become teachers and have no real experience of the real world. The fact that we are (in most cases) Brits living in France already imbue us with a level of experience they will never have, so they are at a disadvantage. The French do not seem very well equipped to deal with out of the box experiences. My wife was quite amused at the reaction of the teachers at our local Lycée when one of the Brit pupils stated their intention to take a "gap year" after the BAC. Only the English teacher knew what the pupil meant, the others just shook their heads as the natural progression that they were used to was been interrupted and they did not know what to do! Loss of face to those with power (IMHO) seems to be of Chinese proportions here, so they just say Non as the easy way out.

[NormanH]

I think you are quite right.

Your comment " The French do not seem very well equipped to deal with out of the box experiences." strikes a particular chord, but is rather serious for France, much as I am committed to the place.

It might not matter if it weren't for the fact that they are so bl**dy sure of themselves, and are convinced that if it is out of their "box" it is of no importance or use.

[YCCMB]

Oh boy, is that ever true!!

Working for a French company, I encountered my first experience of having to tell certain colleagues that they could not be enrolled on some specific career development training courses because they were either too young or too old. You see, the Parent Company had decided on a "parcours de carrière" which was so regimented and prescriptive - not to mention inflexible - that it was assumed that the employee in role A would, having conformed to the prescribed profile, have an age of exactly X +/- 1 year.....and if they didn't, they couldn't attend. I kid you not.

Another scenario that I heard of this week...a client has acquired a well-known French company. They are American. They have a policy of promotion from within, and an excellent HR and career development setup. They recently had 3 senior vacancies in France. Nobody in France applied, because they would have had to move to another area. The company filled the vacancies with a Frenchman currently working for them in Ireland, a Canadian, and an American who has lived and worked for most of his life in Francophone countries.

These people have, on average, 10-15 years experience within the company. The roles command significant salaries.

The company cannot pay these employees the salaries they should be receiving, because they are outside the bands of the collective agreement which is in place. In other words, if you are in job A, your salary falls between 2  numbers, and that's it. Doesn't appear to matter if you deserve more on merit, seniority or any other criterion, in that job you can only earn that much. In all 3 cases, this would mean the employees taking a salary cut. It is probably not appropriate for me to explain how this is being addressed, except to say that a legal solution is being implemented, but from the French perspective there's a box, and nothing outside it.

[Val_2]

The only demand for taking their BAC,BTS and Degrees in France for my two was ID by means of their Titre de Séjour and UK Passport. Récensement never entered into anything and the military day was held over a weekend for those nationals whom it referred to so they did not miss education.

[HoneySuckleDreams]

This is not the post to have a rant over the French education system, it would take a month of sundays to completely vent my spleen.

I hope that in the future the French attitude to education changes. Currently, the education system is still aimed at raising children to be part of the French state, to grow up and have a career as part of the french establishment.  I fear, however, that France being self contained and self sufficient will no longer be achievable. Being able to "think outside the box" is not something you can teach to a nation entrenched in this current attitude but is something that they (our kids...our future) will need to have. It won't happen in my lifetime, I hope my kids kids see a difference.

Education isn't always being stuck behind a desk. There is so much more to learn, but unless the parents take more responsibility it isn't going to happen. Having said that, where we live, since we have been here we have seen a significant shift towards kids learning English as an important language. This is all done privately though, as the state still ranks English as a 3rd language, behind Spanish ( and in some regards 4th..behind Occitan). The younger parents see learning English as a way forward for their children, and actively see that they should leave to study abroad. As an example, we have a friend who's eldest is off to Dublin for 6 months to help his studies in IT. (this is part of a 2 year "pre" graduate course, he then has 3 years "proper" graduate degree and hopes to continue gaining more educational experience beyond that. For him, he won't be out in "the real world" until his late 20's! for his doctors/dentists friends etc they won't be released into proper jobs until their ealy 30's)

This is not for all though, the majority around here don't see themselves moving more than 20km away from their parents, and retiring at 55 with a big fat pension. As far as they are concerned, the education and establishment is working fine. They strongly believe that the state will provide. (not "hope" but "will" provide...it's their right after all)

I'm teaching my kids (teaching = trying to educate them) that you can  do anything once you set your mind to it. You don't have to be pigeon-holed, and there is is absolutely no phrase for "non". Most of this they are achieving without me being present. No2  son (16) is currently rebuilding our crash damaged car, No3 son (13) is rebuilding a melted PC. (No1 son is a bit innefective at the moment as he is in love...bugger!) , but they know that we don't have to get a man in to do all this stuff...think a bit outside the box and everything and anything is possible.

 

you can  call me betty....I completley agree. Pigeon holes.... I tried to get a job with FT, they wanted someone with 3yrs experience in a particular discipline. I've got 15yrs plus in that particular area, 30yrs IT all told. "But monsieur...you don't have the 3yrs experience, you've got 15, we can't possibly interview you..."