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Certificat de non-gage & Police Report when buying 2nd hand car ?


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I came across this and wondered if anyone had heard or had experience of it ?

CG & CT I think we're all pretty familar with but the other stuff is news to me. 

"Any car for sale must have a registration document (le certificat d'immatriculation), more commonly known as la carte gris. This form should be accompanied by both a mechanical service certificate (certificat de contrôle techniquae), and something called a certificat de non-gage, which proves that the car is fully owned by the seller and not fully or partially in the control of a third party, that is to say, a previous seller or a credit company. Moreover, since 1994, everyone selling a car must obtain a certificate from the police, which proves that the vehicle is not subject to any legal sanctions. The idea is to block the sale of a car if its owner has more than €450 of unpaid fines"

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I have sold a second hand car within the last couple of years, I obtained the non-gage from the internet(or should I say the secretaire at la Mairie downloaded it for me) . I did not get any paperwork from the police, although the purchaser did bring another form(in triplicate I think) which we both signed , this was sent off to the prefecture(again , I think). and my copy was used at my insurers to prove I had sold the car, thus enabling me to cancel insurance on it!  It is all much more complex than in the UK, though I suppose if it sorts out the wheat from the chaff.........
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The certificate de situation/non-gage is a mandatory document that the seller must provide to the buyer at the time of sale.  It's the equivalent of the UK HPI report and shows any outstanding finance registered against the vehicle, as well as the following:

- Opposition Judicaire inscrite

- Opposition du Tresor inscrite

- Opposition d'Hussier inscrite

 There is no mention on any official site of the requirement for a separate police report - I suspect your information is out of date and has been superceded by the current certificate.

Out of interest, where did you find it?

 

 

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It is all much more complex than in the UK, though I suppose if it sorts out the wheat from the chaff.........

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Opas

It's basically the same process as in the UK, when you think about it.

The three part form you mention is the equivalent of the notification of change of keeper form that you send off to the DVLA when you buy a car in the UK.

The non-gage is the same as the HPI report (that all prudent UK buyers will want to check before parting with their hard-earned...).  And it's free  [:)]

The CT is the equivalent of the UK MOT.

Even simpler in France, because you've no road tax to purchase, therefore no insurance documents to produce.

 

 

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Found it here:

http://www.parisfranceguide.com:81/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=45

You may well be correct about it being out of date though, I copied this from the section on Property:

"Management consultants ************* estimate the average cost of a four to six bedroom dwelling, in areas where expatriates tend to live, as $36,000 in Paris, compared to $62,000 or $58,000 for an equivalent residence in London or New York respectively."

Judging by this I reckon it must have been written in the stone age.....[:-))]

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SD , I have never heard of or knowingly used a HPI report.... I have responded to ads in the newspaper for a car that was the right price/requirement , gone to my insurers and then to the bank for a cheque.........I am sure I am not the only one who has never used the service in th UK , purely as they didn't know it exists.

Or does anyone else know better?!

It isn't a matter of choice in France though , is it?  the non-gage is obligatory.

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SD , I have never heard of or knowingly used a HPI report.... I am sure I am not the only one who has never used the service in th UK , purely as they didn't know it exists.

Or does anyone else know better?![/quote]

I'd venture that you've been extremely lucky then and also hazzard a guess that the majority of UK motorists who buy secondhand have heard of HPI although whether they have used it is another matter.

In the "bargain basement" market it's perhaps not so important. personally however, I would not dream of handing over £££££ for a car privately without an HPI check.

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I don't know about other prefectures but at Carcassonne there is a machine on the wall. You enter the number from the Carte Griss, put a 2 Euro coin in the slot and out pops a Non Gage ticket. Nice and simple I thought apart from the 5 minutes to find the machine.
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[quote user="Quillan"]I don't know about other prefectures but at Carcassonne there is a machine on the wall. You enter the number from the Carte Griss, put a 2 Euro coin in the slot and out pops a Non Gage ticket. Nice and simple I thought apart from the 5 minutes to find the machine.[/quote]

Crikey - that's pricey. We have a machine in our préfecture in Vannes and the copies are  free!

Sue [:D]

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[quote user="Quillan"]I don't know about other prefectures but at Carcassonne there is a machine on the wall. You enter the number from the Carte Griss, put a 2 Euro coin in the slot and out pops a Non Gage ticket. Nice and simple I thought apart from the 5 minutes to find the machine.[/quote]

Crikey - that's pricey. We have a machine in our préfecture in Vannes and the copies are  free!

Sue [:D]

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See there you go, I never knew that others got it free. All I knew was that I had to go to the prefecture to get this bit of paper to sell the car. I must admit that I thought it was going to cost a lot more than 2 euros so I was very happy to pay. Now I know others get it for free I am not so happy but then 2 euros, I suppose it's not that bad really.

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