geoff Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 have a look at this. http:// news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7395401.stmSorry next post gets it right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickles Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I think that you may mean:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7395401.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 [quote user="Pickles"]I think that you may mean:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7395401.stm[/quote] Thank you kind Sir.Will try harder next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 to make electronic breathalyser tests obligatory in drinking establishments open until 0200 so that everyone can check their level upon leavingWhat a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Sounds a good idea and I'm not against it but I can't help wondering exactly how much effect it would have in practice.In the first place I think the majority of people pretty well know themselves if they've had too much to drink without a machine to confirm it although it would of course act as a timely reminder and give them pause for thought hopefully.Secondly, those disposed to heavy drink driving will still likely do it anyway and it will be predominantly this group who are wiping themselves (and others) out, not the marginals and borderline cases.I wonder too how workable it would be. How would you segregate the drivers from non drivers for instance or is it proposed to bag everyone just in case ?Somehow I can't see that working too well at closing time with several hundred revellers wanting to get out and get home but not allowed to until they've been bagged. Also who's going to enforce it in the clubs, breathalyser operated turnstyles perhaps ?Still, if it saves just one life...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Roy Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Either you drink, or you drive - if you are going to drive even one drink is too many. I like to have a few drinks as much as anyone, but if I am driving then it is soft drinks only for me. If I sound like a prude, then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I agree totally, RR. In fact, I find it very useful to offer to drive when I am trying to stay away from alcohol (something I do from time to time with varying degrees of success) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 From an article in this morning's BBC news it seems that it will only be obligatory for establishments to have breathalyser machines, NOT obligatory for people to be tested. The statement in the article original linked to is contradictory then and presumably should have said testers and NOT tests."Health Minister Roselyne Bachelot and I will present a decree to make electronic breathalyser tests obligatory in drinking establishments open until 0200 so that everyone can check their level, their condition upon leaving,"Maybe something was lost in translation [blink] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Even more confused now by the use of "obligatory" and "can". In future just close up at 0159 I suppose.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskersnatch Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 We have several friends here, French and British and most of them seem to think drinking and driving is OK. Back in the Uk the way they really beat it (I know there are some who still do it) was not to make laws or to 'bag' people, it was to make it socially unacceptable.I fear that here it is still seen as an OK thing to do. It is up to all of us to tell our friends who drink and drive that is is simply not acceptable.Drink drivers KILL PEOPLE! Losing a child is just something no one should ever have to endure. To lose a child because someone wants to drink and drive is beyond evil. If you find it embarrasing to tell your friends off picture a child mangled in a car's wheels and try again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybananasbrother Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 You are wrong.DRUGS KILL PEOPLE and ALCOHOL IS A DRUG.Particularly children are victims. I speak from experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskersnatch Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 I agree. Various things kill people and they are not mutually exclusive. Drugs (which includes alcohol), guns, crazy drivers and a plastic bag, orange and stockings if you are a tory MP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Guns never kill people. People kill people with guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskersnatch Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 [quote user="JMB"]Guns never kill people. People kill people with guns.[/quote]People without guns are less likely to kill than are people with guns. I know if I had a gun when my Mrs dropped a bottle of 21 year old scotch last week I would have killed her. Luckily for her all I had was a base ball bat.... She will live[:P] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 [quote user="wiskersnatch"]Drink drivers KILL PEOPLE! Losing a child is just something no one should ever have to endure. To lose a child because someone wants to drink and drive is beyond evil. If you find it embarrasing to tell your friends off picture a child mangled in a car's wheels and try again! [/quote]You speak a lot of sense, Wiskers. My best friend, aged 15, died because of a drunk driver. 35 years on and I'm still angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskersnatch Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 [quote user="Cathy"][quote user="wiskersnatch"] Drink drivers KILL PEOPLE! Losing a child is just something no one should ever have to endure. To lose a child because someone wants to drink and drive is beyond evil. If you find it embarrasing to tell your friends off picture a child mangled in a car's wheels and try again! [/quote]You speak a lot of sense, Wiskers. My best friend, aged 15, died because of a drunk driver. 35 years on and I'm still angry. [/quote]Don't blame you Cathy. Take that anger and next time you see a mate getting into a car drunk tell them straight you will phone the police. I have done this and actually got a thrashing for it but we MUST all do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 On the same note as the original post, there's also a move to stop drivers who have drink/drug driving convictions from driving cars not fitted with a starter-inhibiting breath tester. School buses are to be fitted with these from la rentrée 2009 - read into that what you will.Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Dordogne Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 I'm usually the 'designated driver' when J & I go out socially or for lunch/dinner because I really don't care for alcohol any more because of my medical things, police service and after the accident here two years ago where 4 people, including two 10 years old girls were killed when the driver was over the dd limit (I had to identify the bodies at the scene) it sort of put me off for good.And if we're out in a 4 some, I always drive. Fizzy drinks don't do anything for me so I get through inordinate amounts of water, which is fine cos I have to because of my health thing anyway.For me, it's comon sense. Get caught, loose your licence ON THE SPOT, three months without a d/licence and being wholly unable to drive, have to jump through all sorts of hoops to get it back and it's not assured that you will and then there's the Tribunal.No brainer really - but then quite often, the drink drivers are no brainers as well I suppose!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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