DerekJ Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Probably a silly question but are there any particular rules regarding the overhang (off the back) that one can have carrying things on a roofrack. In particular I'm thinking about a ladder that I want to transport form the UK to France. I'm not talking about silly amounts but perhaps around 1 metre. For the ferry I don't think I'd need to declare any additional length would I? Btw, the vehicle would be relatively high 4WD.I guess I'm interested to understand both what the official position might be and the reality as to whether the police would be concerned.Thanks in advance....Oh, in the future I would probably need to do the same with kayaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Hi Derek.The limits were posted on here before, but I can't find them. From memory the allowed overhang with a marker-board was a ludicrous three metres.Clair will be along in a minute with the thread link.Gary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maricopa Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 See this thread for the rules on overhang in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 ................or even Maricopa [:)]Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Driver Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Code de la route Art R312-21: Dimensions et conditions du chargement débordement charge arrière A l'arrière, le chargement d'un véhicule ou d'une remorque ne doit pas dépasser de plus de 3 mètres l'extrémité dudit véhicule ou de sa remorque.La longueur des ensembles spécialisés dans le transport des véhicules peut, lorsqu'ils sont en charge, être augmentée par l'emploi d'un support de charge autorisé pour ces transports. L'ensemble, y compris son chargement, ne doit en aucun cas excéder une longueur totale de 20,35 mètres s'il s'agit d'un train routier ou de 16,5 mètres s'il s'agit d'un véhicule articulé.Le fait, pour tout conducteur, de contrevenir aux dispositions du présent article est puni de l'amende prévue pour les contraventions de la quatrième classe.Toutefois, lorsque les dépassements excèdent les limites réglementaires de plus de 20 %, l'amende encourue est celle prévue pour les contraventions de la cinquième classe. Dans ce cas, la récidive de cette contravention est réprimée conformément à l'article 132-11 du code pénal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maricopa Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 De rien[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 As far as the ferry is concerned I'd have though that if the overall length of the vehicle, including overhangs, exceeded the maximum length in the booking class you would definitely have to declare otherwise you could find yourself in for an expensive surcharge on the day.Why not phone the ferry operator and ask ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 As Ernie thinks, the dimensions of a vehicle as far as ferry and tunnel bookings and charges are concerned definitely include all loads - this includes roof racks, ladders, boxes, trailers etc. For most ferry companies a 'standard length car' is up to 5m long and height is between 1.8m and 2m (check the height with the operator you are using). Exceeding either of these dimensions can incur extra costs or may even lead to delay or refusal at very busy times.You could argue that the ladder overhang can be accomodated over the vehicle in front or behind, but this is just making things too complicated and you would have to discuss this with the ferry company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJ Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 Thanks a lot for all the quick and helpful replies ( as usual). Much appreciated. I did try a "Search" first of all but couldn't get a hit.Ernie, I'll do as you say but I guess I also have the option of rearranging the overhang and moving the ladder forward just for the channel crossing. As any driving at the port is at low speed that should be a safety problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJ Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 [quote user="Will"]As Ernie thinks, the dimensions of a vehicle as far as ferry and tunnel bookings and charges are concerned definitely include all loads - this includes roof racks, ladders, boxes, trailers etc. For most ferry companies a 'standard length car' is up to 5m long and height is between 1.8m and 2m (check the height with the operator you are using). Exceeding either of these dimensions can incur extra costs or may even lead to delay or refusal at very busy times.You could argue that the ladder overhang can be accomodated over the vehicle in front or behind, but this is just making things too complicated and you would have to discuss this with the ferry company.[/quote]Hi Will. I just saw your reply after having responded. Fair comment.... thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 [quote user="Will"]You could argue that the ladder overhang can be accommodated over the vehicle in front or behind[/quote]As the vehicle is stated to be a "relatively high 4WD" it will likely be loaded on the same deck as the transits and caravans etc. in which case the opportunity to 'overhang' the vehicle in front may not present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJ Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 I don't actually have the vehicle yet but I think to the top of the roofbaars it is around 1795mm high. So a 3 section ladder would add I guess around 600 to 700 (again, I haven't got he ladder to actually measure yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maricopa Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Why not avoid any problems (and extra costs) on the ferry by buying it in France[I] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJ Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 [quote user="Maricopa"]Why not avoid any problems (and extra costs) on the ferry by buying it in France[I][/quote]Maybe???? but it depends on the relative prices of the ladder in the first place. Homework still be done and asking the original question was part of that homework Again, thanks to all for comments. Gives food for thought.I also need to check on whether the height might be an issue with autoroute charges and my ability to use the T-Lane with my T-transmitter. Which presumably it would be as we are signed up for the basic car tarif which has a 2 metre height limit. Hmmm. Buying one in France may well be the easiest option..... but not for kayaks in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I did a little research on ladders prior to moving and the conclusion I came to was like for like they were more expensive in France, and that was when the exchange rate was 1.45, so I think the additional expense of bringing your own is probably warranted.In UK I had a substantial 10m 2 section ladder but no real means of transporting it however, in a moment of serendipity, it transpired that the vendor of my property had one very similar which she didn't need where she was going so I bought that instead and sold mine to my ex neighbour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJ Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 That's the balancing act Ernie... price in France versus ease (difficulty) of bringing one from the UK. No rush but I'll research a bit more. I haven't tried looking (online) for French ladder prices... I'll have a search and see what the difference is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Driver Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Blimey, it's only a ladder.........[8-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJ Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 [quote user="Sunday Driver"]Blimey, it's only a ladder.........[8-)] [/quote]SD. I'm not trying to make a big deal about it... just thought I'd make a polite reply to Ernie and the others who have responded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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