Alpinemist Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 So we ended up ordering a new car from a dealership in the UK (LHD). It was an OK deal so we decided against 2nd hand route. The question, when we move permanently to France and drive the car off the Ferry/Train do we need to register the car at customs or can we register in the next couple of days locally so we then get asked for the tax. We need to change driving licenses etc (we want to do everything properly).When we initially arrive the car will be loaded plus me, OH and dog so I'm sure it will be chaos. If we can avoid customs for that one day it would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 You have a month to re-register. You must have insurance, though, natch.You do not need new licenses unless you have non EU ones.I hope Mr Driver will confirm but I'm 99% sure I've got that right.[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chezstevens Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Some folks have had a rude surprise when trying to register vehicles thru Impot folk - normally buy car taxfree and immediately export car to France and then pay French TVA or keep in UK for 6 months then export. SD will hopefully come along and confirm this - I have successfully imported 2 cars following this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBC65 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Here is link to what is required to register your car in France:https://www.formulaires.modernisation.gouv.fr/gf/getNotice.do?cerfaFormulaire=13750&cerfaNotice=51291Here's the form to fill (online, then print off):https://www.formulaires.modernisation.gouv.fr/gf/cerfa_13750_02.do?jeton=TxA10gEvnIKKVgEvqGzm_26l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Nothing has changed since you were told the rules in responses to the thread you started on the same topic last year [;-)]http://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/4/2207564/ShowPost.aspx#2207564 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote user="Alpinemist"] So we ended up ordering a new car from a dealership in the UK (LHD). It was an OK deal so we decided against 2nd hand route. [/quote]Did you get a good price? LHD are often (usually) more expensive in UK. And by the time you've paid your VAT etc, will you still be in pocket?If it's registered and taxed in the UK (it's a new car so MoT doesn't apply) then once you become a French resident you will have short period to get it re-registered here in France. Possibly up to 6 months, but more and more I'm seeing that you may only have 1 month. I'm sure SD will tell us... again!! Some insurance companies are getting tougher about this, and so many of us seem to think it's OK to ignore it. I know a couple of people ho have been here longer than us (8th year) and are still driving on UK plates. Whichever way you have purchased the main point is that it must comply with the regulations concerning tax, insurance and MoT (CT) etc. for the country in which it is registered. And then, if you are living here permanently, you must get it registered here... asap.When you drive off the ferry they don't know whether you are coming on holiday or actually moving house, so it's up to you to do the necessary. It's only later when you haven't changed the registration and you are involved in an accident and the insurance company starts to get suspicious that things start falling apart.If you have a UK licence you don't have to change it. If it's a photo licence, it will only last 10 years anyway and then you WILL have to change it for a French one.Bon courage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I think that is a little unfair on Alpinemist, AnO. What he is asking is precisely when he will have to pay the French TVA - not whether, how, or how much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote user="AnOther"]Nothing has changed since you were told the rules in responses to the thread you started on the same topic last year [;-)]http://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/4/2207564/ShowPost.aspx#2207564[/quote]Aha! I didn't see that, but this comes up time and again and I'm sure SD must have a stock reply ready to paste into his browser! [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote user="cooperlola"]I think that is a little unfair on Alpinemist, AnO. What he is asking is precisely when he will have to pay the French TVA - not whether, how, or how much. [/quote]Sorry Coops, I didn't read it that way. I don't think the TVA is paid at the border though is it? Wouldn't it be local to where you live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote user="sid"][quote user="AnOther"] Nothing has changed since you were told the rules in responses to the thread you started on the same topic last year [;-)]http://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/4/2207564/ShowPost.aspx#2207564[/quote]Aha! I didn't see that, but this comes up time and again and I'm sure SD must have a stock reply ready to paste into his browser! [:)] [/quote]I'm obviously very dim, but I've looked at that thread and cannot see where it gives the info' Apm has just asked for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 And I didn't read it at all, so apologies for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote user="Alpinemist"] The question, when we move permanently to France and drive the car off the Ferry/Train do we need to register the car at customs or can we register in the next couple of days locally so we then get asked for the tax. We need to change driving licenses etc (we want to do everything properly).[/quote]!Not that it matters - I'm sure that S/D will answer as necessary, it just seemed a bit rude to poor Alpinemist who seemed to me to be asking a different question.[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 One of the points I made was that there is nothing to identify the car as having had its VAT paid (or not) when you drive off the ferry. In fact often there is no one there at all! So I can't see why you would have to pay there and then. A document check might bring it to light. It all depends how the vehicle was purchased, surely. Whether as an export purchase with no VAT, or as a UK car, fully paid up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinemist Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 I did re-read my old thread before posting to make sure i wasn't duplicating. It was purely about when to declare to pay the tax. (thanks Coop for coming to my defence).To answer questions, I got a LHD for the same price as RHD. I'm on the old paper license as I've been out of the UK so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBC65 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 In the eyes of the French administration: Définition du véhicule neuf : moins de 6 mois OU moins de 6.000 Km.So, if and when you have to pay TVA on the car depends on how old it is and how many km are on the clock when you finally import it.CBC65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Your old paper license - pink or green - is fine, Apm.[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 My apologies if I came over as rude, it was not my intent [:$] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh4 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote user="Alpinemist"]I did re-read my old thread before posting to make sure i wasn't duplicating. It was purely about when to declare to pay the tax. (thanks Coop for coming to my defence).[/quote] Answer is when you pay the VAT when you start the process of re-registering it - which as has been said should be within one month of arrival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote user="AnOther"]My apologies if I came over as rude, it was not my intent [:$][/quote]Apologies if I came over as stupid, it wasn't my intent. [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 [quote user="sid"][quote user="AnOther"] My apologies if I came over as rude, it was not my intent [:$][/quote]Apologies if I came over as stupid, it wasn't my intent. [:D][/quote][:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chezstevens Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 When I mentioned Impot perhaps I should have clearer - certainly not at the border. Your first port of call when registering a vehicle (unless older than 4 yrs - you may have already done your CT) is the Hotel D'Impots (excuse spelling I live in Italy - SWMBO gets the cars), here you will present your invoice for a new car - this is where any charges will apply - depending how switched on you have been. Generally, unless you have a diplomatic/military entitlement, you will need to pay tax somewhere. The trick is not to pay it twice through not observing the rules :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Doctor Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Sorry, but having read the older post and just to be a bore and to clarify things, am I correct in assuming that if you buy a second hand LHD (or RHD for that matter) car in the UK which is at least 6 months old and has at least 6,000km on the clock, then when you import it to France there would be no TVA liability there?Thanks in anticipation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote user="Daft Doctor"]Sorry, but having read the older post and just to be a bore and to clarify things, am I correct in assuming that if you buy a second hand LHD (or RHD for that matter) car in the UK which is at least 6 months old and has at least 6,000km on the clock, then when you import it to France there would be no TVA liability there? Thanks in anticipation[/quote]Yes. You do need proof that VAT has been paid in Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBC65 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 No, you don't. You just need some kind of confirmation of purchase - I cannot stress how scrappy our 'receipts' were from private sellers and we had no problem at all getting a 'quitus fiscal' from our local Hôtel d'Impôts.CBC65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Driver Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 No French TVA liability so there's no necessity to prove VAT already paid elsewhere.If you turn up in France with a ten year old car with 100,000 miles on the clock and three previous owners since it was new, how would you provide proof that VAT has been paid in Britain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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