kain2012 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Hello all,I have a situation and need some help if anyone is able to help me….I purchased a car in Hossegor in France in October last year.When i purchased the car i did not know very much about the process involved in registering it and obtaining a Carte Gris etc. and i still do not know very much about it. I signed the appropriate documents with the previous owner and took the documents i needed from him but that's where it ends. I did not take the documents to the prefecture or appropriate institute or go through the correct process to register it.I had only planned on having the vehicle for 1 month and then selling it on after that but i still have the car today. I've been travelling through Portugal/Spain/Morocco and have been very lucky to avoid the authorities as my car is definitely not legally allowed on the road.I know it is incredibly stupid of me to have done what i've done but i would now like to make the car legal and be able to continue driving it throughout Europe legally.I am in Spain at the moment and would like to know if anybody knows if it is possible to make my car legal and what i might have to do to do this?? Would it be possible to do anything in Spain or Portugal or will i need to return to France?Thanks in advance for any responses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Do you have an address in France which you can prove with a utility bill or rental agreement, if not then that will be a show stopper for registering it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Find a "Gestor" in Spain who specialises in car legal procedures. If you can't speak Spanish ask any english speaker who has a business there who their Gestor is, and go and ask him.He will be able to do the registration process for you. I suggest to ask him how much it is likely to cost before you proceed. You will need an address in Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave21478 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Erm...I assume you want it registered in France? If so there is nothing you can do from Spain or anywhere else.Its a guess, but given that you have had a few months to do it and now suddenly you urgently need it done from another country, I assume you are in some kind of trouble with it?You need to be here in France. The car needs to have a CT (French MOT) pass within the last six months - or within the last two months if it failed the test - you need your copy of the Certificate de Cession that you and the seller will have filled out and you need proof of your ID and French address.Take all these documents to the prefecture, fill in a demande d'immatriculation, stand in line, pay the fee and you will receive a temporary carte gris on the spot and the real one will arrive by post to your French address in a few days - it needs to be signed for.I believe it would be possible to get someone to do this on your behalf, but they will still need all of the above and their own ID as well, so you would have to arrange your car documents and ID to be sent to someone you trust in France.As an aside, buying the car and selling it on one month later....nothing wrong with that at all, but you MUST register it in your own name first. If you dont, when you re-sell it you have no carte gris and the new buyer has no way of obtaining one himself since the original seller you bought the car from will have sent his copy of the Certificate de Cession to the prefecture, telling them he sold the car to you. So when the new buyer tries to register it, the certificates dont match and his carte gris application will be refused.Not having a carte gris renders the car pretty much worthless.....it would only be of use for spare parts and couldnt be used on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It is possible to register a car by proxy and there are websites where you can do it (at a price !) but it's all predicated on you having the correct documentation which you don't. http://www.servicecartegriseonline.frIn strict legal terms the only thing you can do is have the car trailered to France firstly to get the CT and then the registration.Note that failing to register in the prescribed month allowed is a 4th class violation attracting a €135 fine so there will very likely be that penalty to pay on top of anything else.How are you insured ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre ZFP Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 [quote user="nomoss"]Find a "Gestor" in Spain who specialises in car legal procedures. If you can't speak Spanish ask any english speaker who has a business there who their Gestor is, and go and ask him.He will be able to do the registration process for you. I suggest to ask him how much it is likely to cost before you proceed. You will need an address in Spain.[/quote]I seem to remember that even if you register the car in Spain you must deregister it if you sell it or 'export' it to France or another country or you become liable to things like road tax and insurance in subsequent years. Also if you sell it and don't deregister it then the next person can't register it. I'm sure if I've got that wrong then someone will be along in a moment to correct me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I suggested getting it registered in Spain as the OP did not say he lives in France.As he said he is travelling around Portugal, Morocco and Spain I assumed he just wants to get it registered in his name somewhere so he has some legal paperwork for it. I assumed he no longer wanted to risk driving it illegally nor trailer it to some random French town.As he seems to be in Spain at the moment that seemed to be the easiest way to go, especially as Spain has a well functioning system where 90% or more people use a gestor to do the paperwork.As far as deregistering it in Spain is concerned, a gestor may be used to do this to save long periods queueing up in person, which is the alternative, but the procedure is quite simple if done before leaving Spain with the vehicle, although a gestor could still be used in this instance, but buying a Spanish registered vehicle in another country could be a real problem.These were the two "problems" which came up previously on this forum.The local council office, who collect the road tax, should also be advised that a vehicle has been sold. The Traffic Office eventually does this, but it seems to take a long time (as do similar communications between government departments in France), so it is very easy to pop into your local office and do this, to avoid getting billed for road tax for a car you have sold.Edit: Clarify text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre ZFP Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Thanks for the clarification. I thought I remembered something about problems deregistering but did not know that it was only an issue if you have already left Spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave21478 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I had assumed he wanted it registered in France since he bought the car here and is posting on a France-specific forum.If he is just travelling around, he is pretty unlikely to have a Spanish address or NIE number, so thats a non starter too.Until they return with more details, we cant know either way, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 On another forum the OP has admitted to having had no insurance all the time too, what an idiot ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneySuckleDreams Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 he's a twat then and deserves to be shot or at the very least shopped to the flics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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