dandaz Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 HelloI have a employer who has given my building work for the next three months ,he has agreed to pay me cheque emploi....What exactly do I have to do now?[ie who to inform etc] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maricopa Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Apologies if I am completely wrong or wildly off base here, but are you sure you CAN be employed for building work under cheque emploi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbert Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Hello MickThe CESU is normally not meant to pay a builderunlesshttp://droit-finances.commentcamarche.net/faq/sujet-1105-cesu-quelles-activites-et-quels-servicesEntretien de la maisonPetits travaux de jardinage, débroussaillagePrestations dites « hommes toutes mains » (bricolage)Gardiennage et entretien et surveillance temporaires des résidences principale et secondaireyou interprete this in a very very broad way http://www.completefrance.com/cs/images/emotions/biggrin.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 It may be possible if the job comes under the cheque emploi TPE system - seehttp://www.apce.com/cid45002/cheque-emploi-tpe-les-formalites-d-embauches-enfin-simplifiees.html?pid=326 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 As Maricopa says, you cannot be paid by CESU for building work.The CESU system is designed for small jobs in the employer's home.Building work is regulated and requires you to be registered as a builder and have builder's insurance.[quote]Activités effectuées au domicile de l’employeur :entretien de la maison et travaux ménagers,petits travaux de jardinage, y compris les travaux de débroussaillage,prestations de petit bricolage dites "hommes toutes mains",garde d’enfant à domicile,soutien scolaire à domicile et cours à domicile,assistance informatique et Internet à domicile,assistance administrative à domicile,assistanceaux personnes âgées ou aux autres personnes qui ont besoin d’une aidepersonnelle à leur domicile, à l’exception d’actes de soins relevantd’actes médicaux,assistance aux personnes handicapées ycompris les activités d’interprète en langue des signes, de techniciende l’écrit et de codeur en langage parlé complété,garde malade à l’exclusion des soins,soins d’esthétique à domicile pour les personnes dépendantes,maintenance, entretien et vigilance temporaires, à domicile, de la résidence principale et secondaire;Activities conducted at the home of the employer: Housekeeping and housework, Gardening work, including brush cutting, Basic DIY maintenance Child-care at home Tutoring at home IT support and Internet at home Administrative assistance at home Assistance to the elderly or others who need personal assistance at home, except for medical procedures, Assistance to persons with disabilities including work as aninterpreter in sign language, written and spoken language, Patient care except for medical procedures, Beauty treatments at home for dependent persons, Maintenance, maintenance and temporary surveillance of the main home and secondary residence;[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 But cheque emploi TPE is designed to allow small businesses of up to 5 employees to take on extra short-term workers and pay them in a similar manner to CESU. This can be in any type of business, including building.It has been discussed here before, but there seems to be a lot of confusion between the two schemes.http://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/1527496/ShowPost.aspxEdit: Although URSSAF has a web page about cheque emploi TPE here http://www.securite-sociale.fr/textes/cotis/cotisations/chequetpe/cheque_tpe.htmIt gives a link to a dedicated URSSAF cheque emploi TPE site, which takes you instead to a general site (TESE) concerned with simplified employment procedures and employment law reformhttp://www.letese.urssaf.fr/cetpeweb/home.jspWhich seems to indicate that this particular cheque emploi scheme has been discontinued and replaced with something else - quote "Créé par loi de modernisation de l'économie, le Tese se substitue auTitre emploi entreprise et au Chèque emploi très petites entreprises". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandaz Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 HiThanks for your responses ,it looks a bit of a minefield..It is a bit devolopement so I strickly will not be doing building...so say they put gardening instead of building what do I do next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 you will have MSA on your tail and possibly be arrested for being a gardener and doing building work!Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereford Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Assuming that the work you are to do can be covered by one of the schemes you probably don't need to do anything. You give your social security number, name address etc to the employer and that is it. Later you will get info on what has been paid for you and a sheet telling you what to put on your tax form.We pay our gardener this way (big tax advantage for us).H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandaz Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 HiI have no social security number ,the main reason for the job is trying to get on the system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandaz Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 [quote user="steve"]you will have MSA on your tail and possibly be arrested for being a gardener and doing building work!Steve[/quote]I will always keep my secuters in my back pocket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereford Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 On the slip to send in to Ursaff to show what has been paid the the employee it says put address and date of birth if social security number not known. Same thing if you use the online service. We assume a social security number is then issued.If you were in France with an E form then you do have a number surely??H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereford Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 dandazHave replied to your pm and sent link to CESU site for lots of info.H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 You lost me between "I have a employer who has given my building work..." and "I have no social security number..." [8-)]I get the impression you have been dodging the system for a while now.In a previous post over a year ago, you mentioned your children were about to start school and that a local builder was interested in offering you a job.In another post six months later, you were also advised to register with your CPAM.In another post, you say you have been in France for three months.I don't know what to believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandaz Posted September 12, 2009 Author Share Posted September 12, 2009 Hi clairThe local builder said my lack of french was not good for him so I did not get the job...I did`nt register with cpam ,I had the operation and had to pay with a credit card...december 2008 I had been in france for three monthsI don`t know what you mean by dodging the system ,maybe it`s confused with I don`t really know what I am doing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suein56 Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 [quote user="dandaz"] ...december 2008 I had been in france for three monthsI don`t know what you mean by dodging the system ,maybe it`s confused with I don`t really know what I am doing...[/quote] So ... 9 months on; how's it going? If you are still in the same confused state as you were, perhaps it is now time to sit up and take onboard some good advice re your health/job/life situation. Bizarrely enough, and contrary to what you might deduce upon first look, this site is full of people who have 'been there, done that', and are not averse to helping someone who is floundering ... and is genuinely in need of help.So, the big question is ... are you a flounder(er)or a 'put off forever what could be sorted today, or tomorrow' person?Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandaz Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share Posted September 13, 2009 [quote user="suein56"]So ... 9 months on; how's it going? If you are still in the same confused state as you were, perhaps it is now time to sit up and take onboard some good advice re your health/job/life situation. Bizarrely enough, and contrary to what you might deduce upon first look, this site is full of people who have 'been there, done that', and are not averse to helping someone who is floundering ... and is genuinely in need of help.So, the big question is ... are you a flounder(er)or a 'put off forever what could be sorted today, or tomorrow' person?Sue [/quote]Also this site is full of people who cast judgements on people they think they know and have no answers to the original question and maybe just come on to have a pop.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opas Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 9 months on and no social security number?Brit reg car and UK family allowance perhaps? [Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandaz Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share Posted September 13, 2009 9 months on and no social security number?Brit reg car and UK family allowance perhaps? . Also this site is full of people who cast judgements on people they think they know and have no answers to the original question and maybe just come on to have a pop..Told ya...another one ,nothing better to do....anymore nutters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandaz Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share Posted September 13, 2009 [quote user="Hereford"]dandazHave replied to your pm and sent link to CESU site for lots of info.H.[/quote]oops thankyou ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opas Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 [quote user="dandaz"]HelloI have a employer who has given my building work for the next three months ,he has agreed to pay me cheque emploi....What exactly do I have to do now?[ie who to inform etc][/quote]You had your answers on the first page of this thread. You also changed your job tittle from builder to gardener given that you were told you cannot be a builder on this scheme. You do not do anything when employed under this system, apart from provide your name, address, DOB and place of birth. Oh and declare it on your french tax return......but that is the easy bit, that will come in aready completed by the authorities[;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandaz Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 See you can play nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 You have to decide whether you want the real answer or just the one you want to hear. Members who start calling people who ask pertinent questions 'nutters' can soon find people unwilling to help at all . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandaz Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 Sorry I did`nt realise these two were pertinent questions...9 months on and no social security number?Brit reg car and UK family allowance perhaps? lets not forget the whistling icon suggesting that I am probably on it...Yes ,no social security number...No , french redge car and no uk family allowance ...wait a minute would`nt I have to live in England to claim family allowance or maybe commute my kids to british school everyday ,that is kinda why I called him/her a nutter ,unless he/she has found a way...[;-)]anyway, I thought we had kissed and made up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opas Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 You would probably be surprised at the amount of Brits that have lived in France for more than a year and claim UK Family allowance, I am suprised why they bother as the French one beats it hands down, especially for the Rentree allowance , given that most of the claimants have children under teenage years........just under 300 euros to get your child equiped with a few pens , paper and a bag to put them in[blink] oh yes I do know of a few of them, not necessarily know them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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