Ford Anglia Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 How much would I need for a couple of coats, (is that enough?), on 75 sq m?Can you stain the floor first? Does it matter what type of stain?Thanks for any replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Smith Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 18-20 sq m per litre, so about 4 litres per coat, depending on how liberally you apply it. Cost - around £50.I would try out a range of stains first. Try Liberon - though staining a whole floor will be expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 It will also depend on the existing floor finish.Untreated surfaces will absorb more than already treated surfaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Smith Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 And the type and age of the wood, and how liberally it is applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Anglia Posted March 27, 2007 Author Share Posted March 27, 2007 Good grief, why is nothing straightforward?I've now contacted TWO Danish Oil manufacturers in the UK, and BOTH have advised against using their product on a floor.[:(]One declined to advise what to use, the other mentioned Polyurethane...........so we come back to Dick's original suggestion. As Homer would say, "D'oh!"Is PU much cheaper in the UK like other paints, or is it a case of dearer, but better, in France like paints seem to be?(Editted to give Dick his capital letter.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Smith Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Which was of course why he suggested it...You could oil and then wax but I wouldn't want the job and I don't think it would be safe.Also, I hate the smell of Danish Oil.We bought our specialised floor varnish (Ronseal Diamond Hard) in the UK as it was cheaper but, importantly, much easier to use than the French 2-stage versions. After several years of light use it is still fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Anglia Posted March 27, 2007 Author Share Posted March 27, 2007 Some useful info there: for a kick-off, the sellers NEVER tell you if a particular product smells. Personally, I can't stand the smell of Linseed oil...........I'll have a look for Ronseal Diamond Hard, I wonder if Wickes sell it, my lad works there part-time so I can get a discount.Again, approx how much will I need?TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Smith Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 It covers what it says on the tin...The website says 16-20m2 per litre, depending on the porosity of the floor. 2 or 3 coats, allow 2 hours between.One of the reasons we used it was the quick drying time, important if you are trying to cram a lot into a few days' stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 If I get one third of the coverage mentioned on the tin of whatever then I consider that I have done jolly well.And that would be on a previously finished surface.Advertisers love to use meaningless terms such as "up to" possibly acheivable under laboratory conditions but never in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippiepat Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Must admit all the floors I've done up til now, I've just used "Liberon" Black Bison wax.Used this on an old parquet floor in u.k. bl**dy hard work but the results worth it,although it does need looking after.Used the same or french equiv. for pine t&g on our property in france,again good results but also needs looking after.I'm a great believer in allowing wood to breath & always prefer to use wax finishes wherever poss.the same wax is also great for old beams.Reading your post prompted me to do a quick search (as I am about to embark on another project that will have all new timber floors) & came across this site that you may find interesting. www.woodfloorpolish.com I was keen on thier BonaKemi product that seems to fit the bill for french house,i.e.hard wearing easy to apply.Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave&Olive Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 hi ok I have no problems with the v33 vitrificature I used on our floor . easy to use easy to go on ,water based and dry ready for second coat in 2 hours, then you can walk on it in 24. looks like this [IMG]http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j311/daveolive/Pdr_0144.jpg[/IMG] dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 I've used a vitrificateur too, and one for intensive use at that, yet the floor in the gite is showing scratches and in places, the finish had flaked like nail varnish.This shows particularly at the table and where the chairs and sofas are moved. Yet all the furniture has soft pads underneath...Very disappointing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Head Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 So what's the perfect finish for a floor? There are so many variables involved that that it has to be down to personal choice, usage, experimentation and time.Personally I cant stand the thought of covering nice timber with varishes and stuff like that...it sort of denudes the timber and sheaths mother nature...a bit like wearing a condom, it might be safe but the sensations aren't the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 I used the V33 vitrificateur first time on a sanded pine floor and it looked great. Coverage was a bit better than it said on the tin and dead easy to apply. However, the great look quickly went when the dogs got on it so I sanded it off and went for the V33 two part vitrificateur. The old stuff was completely sanded off as the two pot chemistry is not compatible with the single pot (standard) stuff. Two pot stuff coverage was again a bit better than it said on the tin and it was dead easy to use. Smell was a bit bad for a day or two but then quickly went. Dogs have managed a few scratches (after a coup,e of years) and the limiting factor is the soft wood underneath what seems a very strong vitrificateur. I'm actually pleased with the finish even after the couple of years wear. It was really easy to apply (less work that oiling the floors !!), cleans easily, etc.. The down side is that it is high performance and thus the price is set to match. I went for the "top of the range" two pot stuff as I thought it not worth trying to save a few euros when going high quality for the best finish.Given the choice for the room again I would do the same.Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Anglia Posted March 28, 2007 Author Share Posted March 28, 2007 The floor in question is upstairs, so bedrooms and a bathroom, and we have no dogs, so marking OUGHT not to be a problem.I'm looking at cheap sources of Ronseal Diamond Hard stuff now, but neither Wickes nor Screwfix do Ronseal stuff.............probably Ronseal won't let them discount it.The finish will almost certainly not be applied until Whit anyway, so it gives me time to price the French stuff, and ask the advice of the bloke who owns the wood place at which I bought the flooring. He's pretty genuine: won't let you buy unless you need to, which is refreshing.On another connected topic, does anyone know what the French for "Hire Shop/Plant Hire/Tool Hire" and "Floor sander" might be?Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icmenuiserie Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Have you thought about Blanchon oils, they come ready coloured and you need two coats. I have a floor sander for hire, but depends where you are , also supplier for Blanchon oils (funnily enough..) but it really does look good as it's oil and therefore without that 'varnished' look. HTH Lisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 [quote user="Ford Anglia"]On another connected topic, does anyone know what the French for "Hire Shop/Plant Hire/Tool Hire" and "Floor sander" might be?[/quote]"Ponceuse à parquet". There are a couple of sorts (e.g. the main floor area drum sander and an edge disk sander. I always hire them from Kiloutou (www.kiloutou.fr - who have outlets all over the place and you can book online if you really want but I always just turn up and have never had any problems).They also sell the vitrificateur (V33 I think but I tend to buy the finish elsewhere).Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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