Help! How big and how much??!!

[majr]

Hello!

I hope somebody can help, I have a couple of questions. I have been sent documents through for a house I'm trying to buy, the size of the property is given as 58 a 70ca, I don't know what this means and how to convert it into something I understand, i.e. acres or square meters or something, can anyone help?

Also, this is a cheap little place, £30k I have asked the Notaire for an indication of his fees bearing in mind that it's a cash buy, no awkward contractual bits and bobs and I'm happy with the property exactly as it is, he's informed me it will cost 6500 euros, that's 16%! Seems very excessive being as he's also not responded to any of my emails or attached any of the correct paperwork and made loads of mistakes on the contract. Anything I can do about this before signing the Compromis de vente?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Mat.

[derf]

Try htis link: http://www.metric-conversions.org/conversion-calculators.htm

[derf]

You can get a rough estimate of your cost here: http://www.paris.notaires.fr/frais_mut_ecran2.php

[majr]

Thanks for the link, not quite what I was after, my fault for not explaining properly. I can find loads of conversion sites but I don't know what I'm converting! I don't understand what 58 a 70 ca is an abbreviation of, what is it short for? a and ca are units of what? I can't convert it into acres because I don't know what it means! I may well be thick.

Thanks for any help.

Mat.

[cooperlola]

Possibly carre (square)?  58 to 70 sq. meters?

Any chance of a bit more context?

(Those fees look about right to me, btw).

[majr]

Hi Cooperlola

This is what's on the details, that's all I know at the moment! Does that help at all?

Prefixe    Section     No      Adresse ou lieudit      Contenance

               A             379     Maye des castries      35 a 10 ca

               A             380     30 rue de la gare        23 a 60 ca

                                       Contenance totale         58 a 70 ca

I presume it's detailing the size of the house and of the land and giving a total area but it could be something else entirely!

Thanks for the Notaire link Les, seems about right according to that, just felt like a lot of money.

Mat.

[BJSLIV]

This is what's on the details, that's all I know at the moment! Does that help at all?

Prefixe    Section     No      Adresse ou lieudit      Contenance
               A             379     Maye des castries      35 a 10 ca
               A             380     30 rue de la gare        23 a 60 ca
                                       Contenance totale         58 a 70 ca

 

Mètre carré

Le mètre carré (symbole m²) est l'unité d'aire du système international. Définition Le mètre carré est l'unité de base pour mesurer une surface. Il correspond à l'aire d'un carré d'un mètre de côté. Il correspond à un centiare (1 m² = 1 ca) ou centième d'are Multiples Décamètre carré ou are : (1 a = 100 m²) Hectomètre carré ou hectare : (1 ha = 10 000 m²) Kilomètre carré  : Km² : (1 km² = 1 000 000 m²)

[Anton Redman]

a = are which is 100 square metres

ca = centi are = 100th of 100 square metres or 1 square metre

[cooperlola]

Yup, looks pretty tiny. Presumably you have seen it?

If you're worried about the notaire, you could use another one, maybe?

[Tony F Dordogne]

Really tiny - if it's in my village in 24 (where something similar is for sale, currently owned by a British couple - nobody here (it was the subject of much discussion over lunch today) would touch it with a barge pole.

[majr]

[quote user="Anton Redman"]

a = are which is 100 square metres

ca = centi are = 100th of 100 square metres or 1 square metre

[/quote]

Thanks for the details, I may be wrong but it reads to me that;

58 a or 58 x 100 square meters =5800m2

70 ca or 70x 1 sqaure meters = 70m2

which gives a total of 5870m2, does that seem right?/

Mat.

[majr]

Actually that can't be right, it would make the house at 3510 sqare meters and the land at 2360 square meters, that wouldn't be right, the house is small.

Hmmmm.

Mat.

[Anton Redman]

The measure for the house is the plot of ground on which it stands say 60 metres by 60 metres = 3600 sq metre = 36 are

[BJSLIV]

Prefixe    Section     No      Adresse ou lieudit      Contenance
               A             379     Maye des castries      35 a 10 ca
               A             380     30 rue de la gare        23 a 60 ca
                                       Contenance totale         58 a 70 ca
Actually what you have is a property made up of two individual plots, one of 3510 sq metres and one of 2360 sq metres. IE About half a hectare.

[cooperlola]

Doesn't sound quite so small now!

[Nicos]

Now you have me confused......

We bought a 5 bed longere with  a huge parking area infront, 2 gardens at the rear and a small field next  to it and on my documents it describes the whole area as  "L'ensemble cadastre section C numero xxx , pour une contenance de trente neuf ares cinquante sept centiares ( 39a 57ca) "

I'd hardly call it small!!!!

Looks like your total is larger than ours Mat????

It takes 3 gardeners 1/2 hr to strim,hand mow and sit-on mow.

[majr]

Hello!

Thanks for all the answers, no, it doesn't sound so small now, it shouldn't be! I was told that it was 7000 sqare meters, a not insignificant amount larger than what it now appears I am buying. I will have to confirm the details, unfortunately it's not the Notaire who has the information I understand, I have to go to the local mayor and get copies of the land details I think. I haven't seen it myself as I am out of the country, that said I have had 3 family members visit now on 3 different occasions, half an hour of video and about 300 photographs!

My issue with the land is that it is very overgrown and there is no boundary markings so I want to be sure of the area I'm paying for, everyone who's seen it has fallen in love with it but I still want to get all the facts straight.

Thanks again for the comments.

Mat.

[cooperlola]

One really comforting thing here is that boundaries here are properly laid down (even if not physically marked) on the plans (cadastres?)which are available for all to see.  Quite differenct from the UK where (I know from bitter experience) they're not always as obvious as you might think.