Lime-Based White Paint! For God's Sake!!

[pachapapa]

[quote user="tj"]its not helpful to copy paragraphs of irrelevance from the internet like you just have,,,,,,,,,,,,any idiot can do that.[/quote]

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St Astier do in fact produce Natural Hydraulic Lime without the addition of white cement but rarely seen in the sheds; normally only a TradiBlanc  available. Link below to the complete range of "limey" St Astier products below.

http://www.c-e-s-a.fr/gamme_complete

Not sure which one teapot was thinking about but the the one liner St Astier...grunt.....is not very helpful.

[Théière]

[quote user="tj"]its not helpful to copy paragraphs of irrelevance from the internet like you just have,,,,,,,,,,,,any idiot can do that.[/quote]

IRRELEVANCE! that's a bloody explanation of the process of producing lime vs cement and exactly why certain compounds should not be included in lime.

Lime is burnt in a kiln at lower temperatures 900-1000deg compared to much higher temperatures for cement 1300deg and that temperature produces tricalcium silicates which can be seen leaching from cement and concrete structures as efflorescent salts which weaken the structure. That doesn't occur with lime which only contains very low amounts of tricalcium silicates less than 0.3%.

So why purchase a product where they add it back in, which produces detrimental effects?

I have studied and completed a course on limework and restoration of old buildings and I am NOT an idiot

If you didn't understand the passage that says more about YOU than me.

[Théière]

[quote user="pachapapa"]

http://www.c-e-s-a.fr/gamme_complete

Not sure which one teapot was thinking about but the the one liner St Astier...grunt.....is not very helpful.

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Change your shed then to one that does sell the best, St Astier, just because a shed sells crap products doesn't mean you have to buy them.

[pachapapa]

[quote user="Théière"]

[quote user="tj"]its not helpful to copy paragraphs of irrelevance from the internet like you just have,,,,,,,,,,,,any idiot can do that.[/quote]

IRRELEVANCE! that's a bloody explanation of the process of producing lime vs cement and exactly why certain compounds should not be included in lime.

Lime is burnt in a kiln at lower temperatures 900-1000deg compared to much higher temperatures for cement 1300deg and that temperature produces tricalcium silicates which can be seen leaching from cement and concrete structures as efflorescent salts which weaken the structure. That doesn't occur with lime which only contains very low amounts of tricalcium silicates less than 0.3%.

So why purchase a product where they add it back in, which produces detrimental effects?

I have studied and completed a course on limework and restoration of old buildings and I am NOT an idiot

If you didn't understand the passage that says more about YOU than me.

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Whether or not you may be an idiot ( Note the use of the subjunctive case...pertinent in this thread..[:)]) may be a matter of personal perception. But when you say you have completed a "course" in lime restoration; it would be interesting to get some idea of the length and content of your course. There would appear to be short introductory courses at three venues in the UK; fittingly one in england , one in wales and one in scotland. The one in wales is, in my opinion, of limited value; the english one contains some useful information at a superficial level; the scotch one is new to me and may be of more value than the other two mentioned.

Point me in baby.[:)]

[pachapapa]

[quote user="Théière"][quote user="pachapapa"]

http://www.c-e-s-a.fr/gamme_complete

Not sure which one teapot was thinking about but the the one liner St Astier...grunt.....is not very helpful.

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Change your shed then to one that does sell the best, St Astier, just because a shed sells crap products doesn't mean you have to buy them.

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I was hoping to learn which St Astier product you were recommending in your earlier post but as you appear reluctant to enlighten me on that matter; I would just observe that E Leclerc in Parthenay market lime products manufactured by Calcia, Lafarge and St Astier amongst others.....AND I dont have to therefore buy St Astier.

[Rich1972]

I've bought a bag of chaux aérienne so I'm going to make my own.

[Théière]

Suffice to say it's one more course than anyone else on this forum has done, and under the auspicious guidance of Britain's leading lime specialist, who is responsible for the lime foundations of the Globe theatre and restoration of Windsor castle.

You are more than welcome to buy any products you wish, it is therefore be a waste of my time trying to educate.

[pachapapa]

[quote user="Théière"]

Suffice to say it's one more course than anyone else on this forum has done, and under the auspicious guidance of Britain's leading lime specialist, who is responsible for the lime foundations of the Globe theatre and restoration of Windsor castle.

You are more than welcome to buy any products you wish, it is therefore be a waste of my time trying to educate.

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Wow!! Now you really got me impressed the Globe Theatre no less. I think Crocker Ltd did such a splendid job on the globe project the lime plasters were a key element in the reconstruction.

2002. Shakespeare's Globe Theatre, London, England. Specialty contractor for remedial treatment of
lime plasters. http://www.crockerltd.net/Crocker_Stmnt_of_Quals-web.pdf

I wish I could have had a hands on experience course with such world renowned experts.

[Rich1972]

Well I bought a bag of St Astier chaux aerienne from 3M so I'm going to make my own. Thanks for the feedback.

[pachapapa]

[quote user="Rich1972"]Well I bought a bag of St Astier chaux aerienne from 3M so I'm going to make my own. Thanks for the feedback.
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May I enquire which type of chaux aérienne you purchased?

[pachapapa]

[quote user="pachapapa"][quote user="Théière"]

Suffice to say it's one more course than anyone else on this forum has done, and under the auspicious guidance of Britain's leading lime specialist, who is responsible for the lime foundations of the Globe theatre and restoration of Windsor castle.

You are more than welcome to buy any products you wish, it is therefore be a waste of my time trying to educate.

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Wow!! Now you really got me impressed the Globe Theatre no less. I think Crocker Ltd did such a splendid job on the globe project the lime plasters were a key element in the reconstruction.

2002. Shakespeare's Globe Theatre, London, England. Specialty contractor for remedial treatment of
lime plasters. http://www.crockerltd.net/Crocker_Stmnt_of_Quals-web.pdf

I wish I could have had a hands on experience course with such world renowned experts.

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Oh! Not the Crocker people then.

Only one other candidate then.....Mr Bennet's ONE day course at the Lime Centre near Winchester![:)]

[Rich1972]

[quote user="pachapapa"]

[quote user="Rich1972"]Well I bought a bag of St Astier chaux aerienne from 3M so I'm going to make my own. Thanks for the feedback.

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May I enquire which type of chaux aérienne you purchased?

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St Astier 'Decorchaux' CL 90

http://www.eprofeel.com/chaux-aerienne-poudre-decorchaux-cl90-produit-fr-16966.html

And I don't care if it's wrong. It's going on the walls.

[pachapapa]

[quote user="Rich1972"][quote user="pachapapa"]

[quote user="Rich1972"]Well I bought a bag of St Astier chaux aerienne from 3M so I'm going to make my own. Thanks for the feedback.
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May I enquire which type of chaux aérienne you purchased?

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St Astier 'Decorchaux' CL 90

http://www.eprofeel.com/chaux-aerienne-poudre-decorchaux-cl90-produit-fr-16966.html

And I don't care if it's wrong. It's going on the walls.
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Agh! that one....http://www.c-e-s-a.fr/pdf/FICHE%20DECORCHAUX.pdf?PHPSESSID=e012f46accc459f5720d785b3c07e6e1

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