Liquids allowed on planes?

[joidevie]

Hi..

I was wondering what kinds of liquids would get through any scanners at an airport (Stansted) in checked in baggage?

I'm looking to bring sealed tins of stone floor sealer, some liquid floor wax (both 'water based') and some other stone sealant which has a 'flammable' logo on the spec sheet..

My guess is the 'flammable' one is the no no.. Anyone had bags not go through onto the plane, and what is the procedure if it gets stopped, will it get opened, offending articles taken out, and the rest let through?

Many thanks for any experiences..

[connolls]

Hi

Here's the official guide from Heathrow airport. It should point you in the right direction.

Looks like it could be a No No for most of it though.

Regards Mel.

http://www.heathrow-airport-guide.co.uk/security.html

[Théière]

Be careful with tins, paint etc, rapid pressure changes could have a nasty effect on the lids [:-))]

[Pierre ZFP]

All of it, water based or otherwise, will be taken off you and dumped.

You can't even take a bottle of drinking water through much less chemical compounds

[Pickles]

[quote user="Pierre ZFP"]All of it, water based or otherwise, will be taken off you and dumped.

You can't even take a bottle of drinking water through much less chemical compounds[/quote]

Reading the OP carefully, it seems to me that the OP was talking about checked-in baggage ... not cabin baggage.

However, everything that the OP mentions would be banned from an aircraft hold.

Regards

Pickles

[Théière]

And understandably, it's not the volatility it's the spill damage to aircraft systems that would be the worry.

Time to use the train or drive....

[AnOther]

I'm sorry Théière but it is very much about volatility, vapours from flammable liquids will very often pose a far greater risk than the liquids themselves. Think of petrol for instance where you can very easily ignite it's vapours but at the same time you can toss a lighted match into a bowl of it and it will go out.

If you want to get really technical it's about a particular liquids LEL and UEL (Lower and Upper Explosive Limits) otherwise known as it's the flammable range, and refers to the ratios with air within which a vapour is able to be ignited.

I am CAA trained and qualified in the carriage of dangerous goods by air (and sea too) air if joiedevie will let me know the UN number on the product (almost certainly UN1263) I can look it up and give specific chapter and verse but I think I can safely say right now that it will be a prohibited item.

 Dangerous goods that must NOT be taken on board an aircraft are:

• explosives, such as fireworks, flares, toy gun caps;
• gases, such as culinary blowtorches, camping or compressed gas cylinders, tear gas, mace or CS gas devices;
• flammable materials such as petrol, lighter fuel, paint, thinners, non-safety matches, firelighters;
• poisons, such as weed killers, insecticides; and
• corrosives, such as filled car batteries.

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=14&pagetype=65&appid=7&mode=detail&nid=1978

In this context 'paint' and 'thinners' would automatically include any flammable related materials.

[joidevie]

.... I'll take that as a "no" then...   [:$]

[ericd]

[quote user="joidevie"].... I'll take that as a "no" then...   [:$]
[/quote]

 

Correct !!!!! However, using the courier parcelsplease, you can send up to 30Kg for around £12. You could always put inside a strong cardbox with cushoning in-between, that shoudl be ok. The goods would travel by truck.

[Pickles]

[quote user="ericd"][quote user="joidevie"].... I'll take that as a "no" then...   [:$][/quote]

Correct !!!!! However, using the courier parcelsplease, you can send up to 30Kg for around £12. You could always put inside a strong cardbox with cushoning in-between, that shoudl be ok. The goods would travel by truck.[/quote]

According to the parcelsplease website, it looks like these materials would also be banned from their services (or at least from their low-cost services)...

It's the same for most carriers

Regards

Pickles

[Théière]

[quote user="AnOther"]

I'm sorry Théière but it is very much about volatility, In this context 'paint' and 'thinners' would automatically include any flammable related materials.

[/quote]

Of course you are correct Ernst, I was referring to the water based items that would be low VOC's not the highly flammable versions. Still be a moot point with the airlines as the staff probably couldn't tell poster paint from solvent based anyway. With less oxygen at altitude they would be less dangerous anyway compared to carrying bottles of spirit alcohol in your checked baggage. I still doubt they would allow it even in BDH containers.

Brother in law had some epoxy paint sent from UK by courier without any problems and fast too, not sure which courier

[Pickles]

[quote user="Théière"]Brother in law had some epoxy paint sent from UK by courier without any problems and fast too, not sure which courier[/quote]

I respectfully suggest that perhaps, ahem, the paint was not declared as such to the courier. I would not of course condone such an inadvertent lapse ... ahem.

Regards

Pickles

[NickP]

When working abroad we used to ship our equipment  by air freight couriers,  there would often be quite large amounts of expendables including things that were pressurised and inflammable, these items would be packed by the air freight company into specialised containers.

[AnOther]

And there is no problem whatsoever in doing that as long as the goods are accompanied by the required paperwork and dangerous goods declarations, it's the point of the CAA training which takes 3 days every 2 years.

That however is a universe away from the public carrying flammable liquids and other potentially dangerous items in their holiday baggage !

[AnOther]

[quote user="Théière"]Of course you are correct Ernst, I was referring to the water based items that would be low VOC's not the highly flammable versions. Still be a moot point with the airlines as the staff probably couldn't tell poster paint from solvent based anyway. [/quote]That was not clear from you post unfortunately but you are undoubtedly correct that airline security staff are unlikely to be sufficiently informed to appreciate the obvious much less the subtle [;-)]

[NickP]

[quote user="AnOther"]

And there is no problem whatsoever in doing that as long as the goods are accompanied by the required paperwork and dangerous goods declarations, it's the point of the CAA training which takes 3 days every 2 years.

That however is a universe away from the public carrying flammable liquids and other potentially dangerous items in their holiday baggage !

[/quote]

Well as the public don't get three day training every year. My point was that dangerous goods can only be carried under strict conditions.

[Théière]

That's the interesting bit NickP, glass bottles containing very flammable scotch, vodka etc can without 3 days training be put into unsuitable baggage and carried in the hold. [blink]

[NickP]

[quote user="Théière"]That's the interesting bit NickP, glass bottles containing very flammable scotch, vodka etc can without 3 days training be put into unsuitable baggage and carried in the hold. [blink][/quote]

Well that's easily explained, as Scotch & Vodka are only dangerous when opened and consumed. Come to think of that some very unsuitable containers, i.e. people, are travelling in the passenger compartment full to the brim with a flammable liquid, so why do airlines allow that and then compound the felony by issuing the said people with more alcohol? Maybe it's the glass that's considered dangerous [:D]