So they raised prices, it has been €9.99 +€5,- extra for no dégroupage for months. You can use your own box, but then you have no phone and you get the SFR box for free with no monthly charge like Orange. Plus you get free phonecalls to landlines in over 100 destinations. They do charge €20,- shipping costs if you want the box shipped to your home address, Shipment to a 'point relais' is free. As you say, €25/month is still a lot cheaper than découverte+landline. My internet speed went up from 8Mbps to 18 Mbps...