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I really don't know where to start with this one. You know, the violent mess at the Stade de France the other day.

It has taken a few days for me to digest all this. 

That was just shocking......... and what has France become as a country. Russia ?

 

Ok....forget football for the minute, how does a self respecting French policeman tear gas/pepper spray kids or elderly people who are trapped behind grills. Or anyone for that matter that are not posing a threat ?

And then kids, elderly, women and and anyone else about gets mugged by the local French youth.

What has France become ?

Thugs ?

 

Still want to holiday or move to France ?

 

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1 hour ago, alittlebitfrench said:

I really don't know where to start with this one. You know, the violent mess at the Stade de France the other day.

It has taken a few days for me to digest all this. 

That was just shocking......... and what has France become as a country. Russia ?

 

Ok....forget football for the minute, how does a self respecting French policeman tear gas/pepper spray kids or elderly people who are trapped behind grills. Or anyone for that matter that are not posing a threat ?

And then kids, elderly, women and and anyone else about gets mugged by the local French youth.

What has France become ?

Thugs ?

 

Still want to holiday or move to France ?

 

Not to mention the stance France has regarding Ukraine!!!! Football is nothing compared to the French attitude  and assistance to Ukraine. A certain perspective is required!!!!!

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Well, the inquest is still going on; it seems the fane were protected by the gendarmes, corralled and not even allowed to pee, whilst the other police, the Paris police were there to maintain order which we have seen they did with gusto. The two police farces did not communicate, nor could they speak with the fans as noone spoke Liverpool.

At all costs the idiot Minister, Darmann must be protected!

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42 minutes ago, anotherbanana said:

 

At all costs the idiot Minister, Darmann must be protected!

France is in a catastrophic mess...and they just re-elected the ring leader for another 5 years.

In terms of the UK...Boris needs to go. But the UK government/media look quite decent compared to what is happening in France.

The violence in the French state has become intolerable. 

Where is this going to end ?

Not in 5 years I guess.

I warned you with Macron.

I told ya. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, anotherbanana said:

Well, the inquest is still going on; it seems the fane were protected by the gendarmes, corralled and not even allowed to pee, whilst the other police, the Paris police were there to maintain order which we have seen they did with gusto. The two police farces did not communicate, nor could they speak with the fans as noone spoke Liverpool.

At all costs the idiot Minister, Darmann must be protected!

I experienced this in about 1968, when my wife and I were driving across France en route to Spain, and became separated.

No great problem except I had all the Passports, both young kids and most of the money, it was cold, she was driving our 1952 MG, and I had our nearly new Audi. We had arranged to call my mother in England if this ever happened, but public phones were rare, there were no mobile phones then, and neither of us knew what message to leave, as we didn't know if the other was in front or behind.

I went to the nearest Gendarmerie for help, my wife went to the Police Nationale. They did not communicate with each other, but at least the police left a note my wife gave them with a cop on the bridge in Tours, which I had to cross.

He was brilliant, spotted my car, and gave me the note, which reassured me she was OK, and could make it to the Spanish border.

She had no money for a hotel, so drove through the night, slapping her face to stay awake, and I caught up with her in Hendaye, having wasted much time checking with the Gendarmerie at every opportunity en route.

Police Nationale - 1 A+, Gendarmeris - ZERO.

 

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12 hours ago, anotherbanana said:

Well, the inquest is still going on; it seems the fane were protected by the gendarmes, corralled and not even allowed to pee, whilst the other police, the Paris police were there to maintain order which we have seen they did with gusto. The two police farces did not communicate, nor could they speak with the fans as noone spoke Liverpool.

At all costs the idiot Minister, Darmann must be protected!

Not defending Darmanin at all. He is obviously either lying or been badly advised by another liar or simply hates the British as does his master! As for the Police, well the French Police, as  most European Police forces tend to do, know only one way to Police and that is with tear gas and batons.

Liverpool supporters, surprisingly, come out of this fiasco reasonably well but it should be said that football supporters have a track record of bad, drunken and violent behaviour so the mix of violent Police and violent 'supporters' is always going to end in a disgraceful confrontation. This time, incredibly, Liverpool supporters don't appear to have behaved in the predicted fashion and the Police appear to have been completely taken by surprise by their good behaviour, as we all were, but the Police could only respond in their usual thuggish way.

The really big issues are the lies, false accusations and disinformation put out by Darmanin and other French officials. That is the real disgrace. EUFA also is coming under the microscope! France hosts the Rugby World Cup and the Olympics in the next two years. Paris is almost a 'no go zone' thanks to the socialist Maire so it doesn't Look good at the moment. The 'entertainment' we see on our T.V. screens may not be the sports but the riots and mayhem!!!

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I've been pleasantly surprised how French TV has "called out" the nonsense spouted by Darmanin,    TF1 did a report last night where various French official claims that "it was all the fault of the Liverpool fans" were comprehensively debunked.  

That said,   however one polices something like that there's always the chance of things going wrong.   And as one naughty comment this side of the Channel put it:   "I've never heard such whinging from Scousers since the invention of the locking wheel nut".

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19 hours ago, Martin963 said:

I've been pleasantly surprised how French TV has "called out" the nonsense spouted by Darmanin,    TF1 did a report last night where various French official claims that "it was all the fault of the Liverpool fans" were comprehensively debunked.  

That said,   however one polices something like that there's always the chance of things going wrong.   And as one naughty comment this side of the Channel put it:   "I've never heard such whinging from Scousers since the invention of the locking wheel nut".

Darmanin has now given an 'apology' of sorts for his blatant lies and misinformation, reportedly after a rollicking from his master! It will blow over of course, these things do but will the voters remember it in a couple of weeks time? probably not!

As for the scousers, you malign them!! They got around that problem without quite easily, they took the whole car!!!

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I wonder why stadiums and organisations don't adopt the system used by airlines where security is essential. Anyone wanting a ticket applies on line: a ticket is sent bar coded. The ticket is presented at the entrance to the stadium in the same way as at an airiport; on a reading machine. I don't know of any forged tickets getting through airport security!! Maybe I'm missing something! I'm sure someone will let me know!

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As I understand it, Liverpool wanted physical 'paper' tickets as opposed to ones accessible by a phone or tablet and UEFA agreed, this gave the opportunity for fraud although the claims that this happened on an 'industrial scale' is way off the mark.

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It now transpires that the video footage from 200 cameras in the Stade de France was wiped - as it usually is - after eight days.     To keep it any longer requires a requisition from the police,   and no one (apparently) thought to ask for one. 

 

How very convenient.   Still,  I titter that every time TF1 talks about the story it's labelled as a "fiasco",   and the wiping of the video was described as a fiasco upon a fiasco.    Remarkably honest analysis given that they *could* have just taken the Darmanin line and blamed it on everyone except the French.....

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On 04/06/2022 at 17:22, DraytonBoy said:

As I understand it, Liverpool wanted physical 'paper' tickets as opposed to ones accessible by a phone or tablet and UEFA agreed, this gave the opportunity for fraud although the claims that this happened on an 'industrial scale' is way off the mark.

During the Senate enquiry it was established (I think it was the guy from the FFF, but don't recall excatly) that Real Madrid received 6.000 paper tickets. The number of paper tickets for Liverpool was not stated. Apparently, it is normal for the clubs to receive paper tickets for internal distribution.

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22 hours ago, ko12x2 said:

During the Senate enquiry it was established (I think it was the guy from the FFF, but don't recall excatly) that Real Madrid received 6.000 paper tickets. The number of paper tickets for Liverpool was not stated. Apparently, it is normal for the clubs to receive paper tickets for internal distribution.

All of Liverpool's tickets were paper at their request despite UEFA's concerns over fake tickets.

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