Teflon Tony

[Théière]

Sadly so many of these public figures hide behind their offices whilst other people perish and their own mortality is all they have to make them realise they are human and not deities

[Mr Coeur de Lion]

Did anyone see a press conference recently which the guy who threw the shoe at Bush was holding and someone else threw a shoe at him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ju-Go1401w

[Mickie Hill]

[quote user="Hoddy"]I can't agree with any of you. Eggs thrown at Prescott and Warsi, shoes at Bush and now someone has thrown a metal object in Berlusconi's face. Much as we might enjoy it just for a while we really can't condone violence against public figures can we ? Hoddy[/quote]

But its OK to throw eggs at Nick Griffin?

Cos he's a fascist nazi (Short for National Socialist but the thingy edited it out; weird), racist? Sort of selective discrimination?

Apparently the geezer who chucked the statue thing at dear old Silvio, was a man with mental problems: he was sane and all the others voters who go along with Berlesconis lies, double dealing, womanising etc are insane probably!

[:)]

[buelligan]

I agree Hoddy.  Violence is tempting but once you condone violent acts, who is going to decide at what level they are acceptable...chucking an egg maybe...  Where is the line drawn?  At what level of violence does the act become unacceptable, criminal or even an act of terrorism?  

People seem reluctant to stand up in a civilised way to voice their opinions calmly but applaud acts of childish, uncontrolled rudeness.  How can someone opposed to war advocate violence?[8-)]

As far as Nick Griffin goes - it's just as wrong to throw eggs at him as at anyone else, though, I imagine it's pretty likely he paid to have those eggs thrown.  One trick ponies like that always need publicity.

[Hoddy]

Mickie I thought it was obvious that my list wasn't meant to be exhaustive, I was merely giving examples. I even agreed with Morrissey when he left the stage after someone threw a plastic bottle at him. I don't think anyone should have to accept even minor acts of violence as part of the job.

Hoddy

[Mickie Hill]

[quote user="Hoddy"]Mickie I thought it was obvious that my list wasn't meant to be exhaustive, I was merely giving examples. I even agreed with Morrissey when he left the stage after someone threw a plastic bottle at him. I don't think anyone should have to accept even minor acts of violence as part of the job. Hoddy[/quote]

I did realise that old Mate.

I was being naughty on a Monday.

 

[woolybanana]

Now that Tiger Woods is losing his sponsorship deals for his behaviour, perhaps someone could find a way of removing Blair's too!

[Quillan]

As always Hoddy, the voice of common sense and you are right. Unfortunately some people do get so angry with individuals and in particular politicians that rightly or wrongly they just can't help themselves. I would like to give Nick Griffin a good pasting personally as I absolutely hate the man and what he stands for. However the question is of course would I and the answer is a resounding NO. The reason is, well for me anyway, is that I refuse to be bought down to his/their level, I consider myself better than that.

I am sure you are like many who saw 'new labour' as the way forward and Tony Blair certainly talked the talk when he and his party electioneered for their first term in office. Unfortunately in a lot of areas he couldn't walk the walk but then that happens with all parties. The issue here is that he clearly lied to the public and parliament about Iraq the result of which, just as in Afghanistan, many of our young, brave men and women have died fighting, what many believe (and I include myself), an illegal war. Even worse is that no real effort has been made to reverse the situation and so the needless deaths go on.

I would also like to say that from people I have spoken to and things I have read there is absolutely no correlation between peoples objection to both wars and any disrespect to our troops. I think its fair to say that the majority of people support the troops 110% its just the wars they don't support. I therefore think it very disgraceful of the government to basically say that by not supporting the wars we are not supporting our troops in an attempt to make us feel bad.

As for the statement a few years back by the American Ambassador to the UK that the world is grateful to the US for being the worlds 'policeman', always ready to sort out any problem, any where in the world and where would be be without them and their ability to sort out terrorist is utter tosh. I don't remember seeing them lining up to send peace keeping troops to Northern Island for instance. What I do remember is watching St Patrick's day parades in New York and Noraid passing buckets round to collect money for guns etc to fight the English Imperialist occupying forces in Northern Island and nobody stopping them.

I think if I were living in the UK now I would do as somebody else suggested in another thread namely deface by ballot paper thus registering my displeasure at UK politics in general. At least it would make them count my ballot paper. Perhaps others might think the same although sadly I doubt that the politicians would not work out what people are trying to tell them.

[Hoddy]

No Q I didn't see New Labour as the answer. I voted for them as the 'least worst' option. Oddly enough, when Blair first took over the leadership of the party, a friend of mine who'd been a fully paid up member of the Labour Party for years resigned. The only explanation she could give was that, having met him, she couldn't vote for him never mind go out and campaign for him. She distrusted him intensely from the moment she met him. How right she turned out to be.

I would like him to have a long prison sentence and more importantly a massive fine for what he has done. How he can call himself a Christian defeats me.

Hoddy

[Mickie Hill]

[quote user="Hoddy"] I would like him to have a long prison sentence and more importantly a massive fine for what he has done. How he can call himself a Christian defeats me. Hoddy[/quote]

Agree totally.

As I said before, under the headings of the Nuremburg Principles Blair and Bush are clearly war criminls, as they invaded another country on false grounds with no permission from such as UN and caused tens of thousands of deaths by their actions.

Conveniently of course, america aint signed up to the jurisdiction of the interntational criminal court: Britain is though.

http://www.wagingpeace.org/menu/issues/international-law/start/un-nuremberg-principles.htm

However both america and UK are signed up to the UN.

 

[Gastines]

He must tell a very good story as he seems to be earning millions from it? The amazing thing is now he has been totally discredited ,we are still paying for his protection etc.etc. The joke of it all is he is the Peace Envoy for the Middle East. It is also amazing how all and sundry are now proclaiming they knew about all the lies and spin beforehand,pity they didn't have the guts to ssay so at the time. Unfortunately everyone seems to pay more attention to holding onto their position and pension rights and are too frightened to rock the boat. I wonder how the Iraqi's feel about the destruction wreaked on their homeland when a few smart bombs or a couple of S.A.S. could have done the job. Having worked there for a short while I think they might have picked the wrong country,like Afghanistan we don't understand the culture and should let them sort out their own problems as they have done for centuries.

[Mickie Hill]

Robin Cooke and Clair Short stood up and were counted: counted right out of the government.

I respected both of them for that.

 

[Quillan]

I understand that for 'security reasons' TB will be giving his 'statement' and answering questions in private (The Times, Friday), so much for the open and frank enquiry. Why is it that the enquiry cannot see that the public wants to see and hear what TB has to say so we can get to the truth of the matter. I guess this will end up another whitewash costing millions of pounds yet again

[woolybanana]

Could it be otherwise, Quillan? It is perhaps naive to expect more.

[buelligan]

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8411143.stm[/url]  All done to keep the brave flames of freedom, justice and democracy burning brightly I'm sure....[:(]

[Théière]

[quote user="woolybanana"]Could it be otherwise, Quillan? It is perhaps naive to expect more.[/quote]

So true Wooly, therefore my new years resolution is to conduct my life along the same lines as our beloved ex PM and/or the current members of the house, e.g. lying, cheating using a mobile whilst driving taking backhanders spinning the truth. If we all did that where exactly would society end up?

 

[Hoddy]

I wouldn't mind all this quite so much if the government was efficient. Whenever I or my family have dealings with government agencies they seem grossly incompetent.

Hoddy