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UKIP, like the BNP, don't have any seats in Parliament. I think you really need to have some to change the political landscape.

I've been giggling occasionally at the odious Mr Farage's pronouncements that his party "won't do a deal with the Tories" . No doubt Dave is quaking in his boots at the possibility of the balance of power being in Nigel's hands.

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[quote user="You can call me Betty"]

I've been giggling occasionally at the odious Mr Farage's pronouncements that his party "won't do a deal with the Tories" [/quote]Should that decision ever come then faced with a choice of some semblance of power or the political wilderness I'm certain his principals will prove infinitely flexible. After all Nick Clegg has paved the way for him and it's what politicians do.

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[quote user="You can call me Betty"]

I've been giggling occasionally at the odious Mr Farage's pronouncements that his party "won't do a deal with the Tories" . No doubt Dave is quaking in his boots at the possibility of the balance of power being in Nigel's hands.

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i think the guy is brilliant, a breath of fresh air in the European Parliament who speaks an awful lot of truth.

Check this out from 2010

Totally correct prediction.

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At present I do not think that the Tories of Lib Dems have any choice but to remain bed fellows. It would seem that, at present, neither would be able to form a government if an election were to be called.

Mnd you, how can anyone call the 3 by-elections a result with such a low turn out - the apathy party seems to be the winner.

Paul

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Bugsy, you are right. They don't like it up em but it's a brave man who sticks his head up these days. Then we have Dave, the lying two faced one and his circle of mates.

"David Cameron has promised a "bare knuckle fight" with Prime Minister Gordon Brown as he launched a campaign to safeguard district hospitals" (2007)

(2012) He has recruited Jeremy Hunt (very dubious background) and his pawn Mathew Kershaw   to break up our NHS.

Whilst that may not worry ex pats some will, as they get older return to the UK and some already do for health care. The press and media are not making this headline material.  The private finance initiative (PFI) has run up huge debts which the NHS is being sold off to pay for.

Yes it is time for a change!

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I don't think it's apathy PaulT. I think we're back to the spoiled vote argument, perhaps we do need a 'none of the above' option.

Like him or not, Farage does speak on some issues which bother ordinary voters, immigration and EU spending excesses, for example.

Hoddy
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Is being odious a requirement to join UKIP ? I have the misfortune to work with one who is a not-so-closet racist who constantly complains about 'them foreigners coming  to the UK and taking our jobs' when he has come to Luxembourg to take a job and can't see the difference. Of course he wants to leave the EU too, turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind.

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[quote user="Bugsy"][quote user="You can call me Betty"]

I've been giggling occasionally at the odious Mr Farage's pronouncements that his party "won't do a deal with the Tories" . No doubt Dave is quaking in his boots at the possibility of the balance of power being in Nigel's hands.

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i think the guy is brilliant, a breath of fresh air in the European Parliament who speaks an awful lot of truth.

Check this out from 2010

Totally correct prediction.

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One man's breath of fresh air is another (wo)man's tosser.

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[quote user="AnOther"][quote user="You can call me Betty"]

I've been giggling occasionally at the odious Mr Farage's pronouncements that his party "won't do a deal with the Tories" [/quote]Should that decision ever come then faced with a choice of some semblance of power or the political wilderness I'm certain his principals will prove infinitely flexible. After all Nick Clegg has paved the way for him and it's what politicians do.

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I think for "should that decision ever come" you could possibly insert "should hell freeze over" but that's just my opinion.

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In the Rotherham result, the Conservatives came fifth - behind not only Labour and UKIP, but also Respect and the BNP. The turnout was 33%.

It would seem that race must have been a significant issue in the minds of many of the voters. In addition, it was the location of last week's news story about UKIP membership making people unsuitable for fostering. The odious Farage must have milked for all it was worth.

 

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I can imagine that if there had been a by-election here that I might have voted UKIP. I would not have wanted them to get in and certainly not to be able to form a government, but this government's agenda is so far from my own, that it would be one way of getting them to take more seriously the things that bother me.

Letters to my MP result in replies which obviously come from a bank of paragraphs which he's composed on various topics which don't actually answer any of the point I've made.

Hoddy
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[quote user="Bugsy"][quote user="You can call me Betty"]
I've been giggling occasionally at the odious Mr Farage's pronouncements that his party "won't do a deal with the Tories" . No doubt Dave is quaking in his boots at the possibility of the balance of power being in Nigel's hands.
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i think the guy is brilliant, a breath of fresh air in the European Parliament who speaks an awful lot of truth.

Check this out from 2010

Totally correct prediction.
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What is equally interesting is the response which comes up on the right hand side. Shame it is in French with no translation but it puts him down quite well.

What he said was not a prophecy as part of it was already happening in Greece, as for the markets bringing down the Euro well clearly that has not happened because it is still here.

My problem with Ukip is their economic treatment of some of their claims like how much money it costs the UK to be a member, they fail to mention all the grants etc we get back which brings the amount we actually pay down to a far, far, smaller amount before we even get to the business benefits of being a member and how much that saves companies exporting to the EU.

I also don't think he can point fingers claiming corruption in the EU parliament either what with so many Ukip MEPs being suspended for false expenses claims, two going to prison for the same and him, at the time of this speech, claiming over £2M of expenses which he donate, illegally, to his party (under the Electoral Commission you can't fund a political party in the UK with tax payers money) or so he said in the national UK press at the time.

There is also the matter of Ukips none EU policies on tax, welfare, pensions, healthcare and of course immigration. People so often in their blind enthusiasm to leave the EU simply don't bother to read these, some of which they would find quite shocking.

Interesting to not on his immigration plan that there is no mention of Expats who would either have to take official residency in the EU country they live or return home. The quantity of which may well equal the amount of those having to leave the UK. When it comes to jobs does he really think that throwing out these immigrants that unemployment will drop dramatically or even better disappear, it he does he is kidding himself. The reason these people can come and take the jobs they do in the UK is because people don't want the jobs in the first place.

I think we should have a referendum on leaving the EU, the sooner the better, because I still believe that overall the UK public will vote to stay and that will then be the end of Ukip.

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[quote user="Hoddy"]I can imagine that if there had been a by-election here that I might have voted UKIP. I would not have wanted them to get in and certainly not to be able to form a government, but this government's agenda is so far from my own, that it would be one way of getting them to take more seriously the things that bother me.

Letters to my MP result in replies which obviously come from a bank of paragraphs which he's composed on various topics which don't actually answer any of the point I've made.

Hoddy[/quote]

 I am sure a lot of French people must have thought  like that when they saw the name Le Pen on the voting paper thinking a good shake up is what is needed Then  worry  in case their vote actually worked ......One day it just might for Nigel Farage who I think is great entertainment value . Van Rumpuy's face is a picture when Farage is on his feet .  The man has the same fear that most of us have and speaks out loud  about it . Youth unemployment within the EU . Italy  has just announced 25% for hers ... Greece and Spain we know also  has had  huge youth unemployment for some time  .  Its the youth who will join the really right wing organisations  and be  the ones who will take to the streets . And its easy to organise on Facebook .. Fit  strong young men with an axe to grind taking to the streets will be impossible to hold back  .The damage will be massive  Somebody need to warn the blinkered ones in Brussels that there are things going on in the  EU that they  are closing their eyes to ..  

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I'm not a euro sceptic, I am anti EU in it's current form, and I'll add expansionist form. So the UKIP actually is the only voice that seems to be agreeing with me.

I don't know about racism, it is something that I do not understand, really I do not, as it appears to be considered these days. And how racist UKIP is, I do not know, as I have only ever taken note of their comments on the EU. Maybe I should pay more attention, but so far have not.

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[quote user="Hoddy"]..... but Will would it be like me voting for UKIP ? I would only vote for them if I thought they wouldn't get in. Hoddy[/quote]By voting for UKIP you send a message to Nigel Farage that you want the UK to leave the EU. This is probably not your intention since it might compomise to live in France but that is the message sent with every UKIP vote. Since leaving the EU is the raison d'etre of UK they will interpret every vote in that manner.

If you think the UK should remain in the EU you should never vote for UKIP or any other party that wants us out.

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The fact is that British citizens lived in France and lots of other countries long before the EU and there were no problems then, so why would there be in the future if the UK left the EU. Talk about trying to make something out of nothing.[8-)]
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[quote user="NickP"]The fact is that British citizens lived in France and lots of other countries long before the EU and there were no problems then, so why would there be in the future if the UK left the EU. Talk about trying to make something out of nothing.[8-)][/quote]

Since being in the EU things have changed. Firstly there is the right to work in any EU member so normally no need for work permits. Health care is another issue, those living inside the EU can move from one state to another if they are retired as treaties have been created to allow this. There is the issue of dual taxation as well. It's not likely that Brits in France, or Spain for that matter will find themselves thrown out of these countries but life will no longer be as simple as it is now for them and may become more expensive and they might simply not have the money.

When people talk about the UK leaving the EU they point at countries like Norway and Switzerland and how they trade with the EU states but what they don't realise is that to do so they have to agree to abide by EU regulations just in the same way as as EU states trade amongst themselves.

Greenland left the EU, it was previously part of Denmark and like the Scots wanted independence which it got. Since then to enable it to trade within the EU it has had to sign up to the "Association of Overseas Countries and Territories" and has to abide by most of the EU regulations to trade within it.

You may find the following link from Norway (in English) that you may find interesting.

http://www.eu-norway.org/eu/

 

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[quote user="Rabbie"]Pardon me for expressing an opinion.  It may not be your intention but you come across as a bit of a bully and always seem to have a down on me. Don't worry I will not be contributing to this forum again[/quote]

Pardon me for not necessarily talking about you,  Paranoia is a very debilitating condition so you might need to see someone to advise you. [:P]

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Well Q, that made me sit up and have a little think.

I don't think it would be a bad thing if people moving to France, had a few more hoops to jump through,  as we did. And no language other than french being available to sort stuff out in. Maybe the reality of actually having to do important stuff in another culture and language would not be a bad thing. And people realise that they needed to parlez-vous and get on with things.

That ofcourse is just how I feel about it.

 

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[quote user="NickP"]The fact is that British citizens lived in France and lots of other countries long before the EU and there were no problems then, so why would there be in the future if the UK left the EU. Talk about trying to make something out of nothing.[8-)][/quote]

If the stuff that UKIP spouts actually happened it would be an inconvenience for those of us who live here, as  opposed to second property owners, since the eform arrangements for things like health care and social security could be affected.

It isn't much of a worry however since their 'manifesto' is only a sort of non-erotic  pornography intended to encourage the mutual masturbation of the impotent, huffing and puffing over unattainable images.

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