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For such as you, lindal, doubt it would make much difference even if the vote was to leave. People were moving to France from the UK before we entered, I had friends who had done that. A few hoops to jump through, and when it boiled down to it, not really any different to when we moved to France.

And that before all this nonsense started of completely free movement, although on the service public website, it is clear that people who move to France have to have the means to support themselves.... and I do hope that that is verified.

I realise that some people can live very successfully on a very small income, but many do not, don't know how to.

I have no idea how the vote will go and for example, when we voted to go in in 1975, Yorkshire did not. So I would imagine that lots of people in Yorkshire would know people who were against it at the time..... maybe that is how it is now. Some regions have an underlying distrust of the EU........ perhaps and would vote no!

As I have said, if there is a no vote that would affect us too much we would move back to France. It would not be a problem for us, at all, and I have no idea why anyone would believe that it would be for them as long as they can jump through the inevitable hoops that there will be put in place........ again!

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Idun said

"I have no idea how the vote will go and for example, when we voted to go

in in 1975, Yorkshire did not. So I would imagine that lots of people

in Yorkshire would know people who were against it at the time.....

maybe that is how it is now. Some regions have an underlying distrust of

the EU........ perhaps and would vote no!"

Unfortunately this is not correct. Yorkshire voted to remain in with a comfortable majority. The only two areas to vote to leave were the Western Isles and Shetland.

See this link for more detailed information

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I think free movement will probably be the least likely thing to change in the event of a Brexit. For a start all existing treaties remain in place until the terms of the exit are negotiated and that could take up to two years. Free movement is part and parcel of all trade deals with Europe, and even if other markets are developed it won't happen in enough time for the Uk to say goodbye to Europe in the first instance. By the time it is all sorted I'll be long retired!

I think there are always things to be gained in whatever scenario arises. For example, it will be such chaos that I can't see anyone noticing a few elicit cash deals between friends.
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Lindal wrote,

Of course you don't know anyone who wishes to remain..it

all depends who your friends are! I have the opposite experience, and as the

polls are pretty much too close to call, my guess would be that it will be a

close result, whatever the outcome is. So, even within a democracy such as the

UK, it is possible that 49% of the population will be stuck with a result they

didn't choose and don't support.

A democracy means you don't always get what

you want.

What I will say in reaction to your last point is that

although many people are not happy with the EU and may vote to leave, very few

share your

view of right wing utopian extremism.

I was not only thinking of my friends when I said that I don't personally

know anyone who wishes to stay in the EU. I also mean people I know, but I would

not count as friends who live in our village. These range from a postman, to a

surgeon. A retired police officer, GP, taxi driver, to the local farmers who

have large UKIP banners displayed at election time. Quite a cross section of

people. I believe if I had to apply for a job to speak to all these groups, one

of the qualifications would be ‘able to communicate at all levels’. I will admit

 East Anglia is very much a leave area however.

 

But yes, there are many who wish to stay in the EU, I have no doubt, and it

will be a close thing in the end. If we stay in the EU, well at least we had the

chance to vote on the issue which so affects us. And if we do stay in well OK,

if its a fair vote then I will be happy to accept this. Without  Nigel Farage

this would never have happened, democracy indeed does not mean you always get

what you want, but at least you would have had a fair chance to get what you

want.

 

Unfortunately, if we are unable to stop the riff of the world entering the

EU by any other means, then wall’s will need to be built. I have no problem with

the free movement of people who are European citizens , but they must be people

who have earned this right, not any criminal who wishes to relocate, and abuses

this privilege of free movement to prey of the very people who made this

movement possible.

There must also be a cap on the numbers entering also, as the services of any country cant keep up with huge inflows like we in the UK are seeing, and why would they not wish to come, the UK is the best country in the world to live IMHO.

 

If a French person moves to the UK, they can get free healthcare from us,

if a British person moves to France they have to pay. If a French person comes

to the UK, then they can use our roads free of tolls ( except a few) but the

other way and we have to pay if we use their auto routes. I know they are funded

differently, but why should someone from the UK pay twice? This whole EU thing

just stinks of always the UK residents having to pay more all the time.

 

I hope after last nights results in the US, you will now concede that Mr T

will be the Republication candidate, He sweep five more states with over a 60%

majority, and that's against two other candidates, not one opponent  like

‘crooked Hillary' faces. [:D]  [:D]

 
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I am sure that Hilary Clinton is hoping that her Republican opponent will be Donald Trump as that would give her the best chance of winning.

Meanwhile back on topic. If/when I move to France it would be unreasonable of me to expect to be treated differently than French people as regards healthcare or road charges etc. If I don't like it I don't need to go. It's that simple
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I am sure that Hilary Clinton is hoping that

her Republican opponent will be Donald Trump as that would give her the best

chance of winning.

 

Really ????  [:D]  [:D]  [:D]  [:D]  [:D]

Meanwhile back on topic. If/when I move to France it would be

unreasonable of me to expect to be treated differently than French people as

regards healthcare or road charges etc. If I don't like it I don't need to go.

It's that simple

 

 

How this is back on topic, when the topic is the

American president I am unsure??

 

However, lets have a few guesses here, you state you

have been retired for six years on the bottom of each of your posts, that's been

there for longer than a year, so I can make a guess as to your age

group.

Are you REALLY trying to suggest that at your time of life, you would be

actually moving to France full time??

May I sound a few words of caution if that is your plan. The only thing

cheaper in France is property, the taxes to buy it are sky high compared to the

UK, perhaps you are going to rent, good luck if you are.

Then when the time comes, and you pass, the government will take a large

chunk of your wealth before your chosen recipient gets any. Sure, its a nice

country, and you may think that its all worth it.

I am sure many before you have, but so many return. Look at how many from

this forum only stayed a few years and returned. If I have your age wrong than

go for it, but if your 65 plus please reconsider.
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Boy oh boy, not sure where to start

really. So we mustn't listen to the most powerful man in the world in

Obama, but instead listen to a 'working class hero' ex-stockbroker

and hedge fund manager, who on the face of it would appear to have a

drink problem, based on the fact that most photographs taken of him he is

brandishing a pint. Not only that he wants to fill all the UK pubs

and restaurants with smoke again, very forward looking Nige.

Or

we could take note of 'Bumbling Boris' who judging by his remarks

about Obama still thinks that Britannia rules the waves. With no real

credible alternative on offer as to which country the UK should

emulate if the vote is to leave. Is it Norway, Canada or just stick a

pin in the atlas and see what that brings up.

Then supposedly

'President Trump' will come to the UK's rescue and fast forward the

UK a trade deal. I think old Trumpy with be too busy nuking North

Korea, building his wall between the US and Mexico, and starting a

trade war with China, to worry about the UK. Don't believe me

ebaynut, then just read a quote from his speech on foreign policy he

made yesterday:

“We will spend what we need to rebuild our military. Our military dominance must be unquestioned,” he said. “We are also going to have to change our trade, immigration and economic policies to make our economy strong again – and to put Americans first again.”

It was a speech that sounded many of the themes Mr Trump has practised on the trail - his excoriation of the foreign policy record of President Barack Obama and of Hillary Clinton, his first Secretary of State, his disdain for the Iran nuclear deal and for some of America’s free trade deals - but also offered glimpses of moderation, for example on relations with the Muslim world.

Link: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-isis-foreign-policy-speech-us-election-2016-a7004371.html

So you are prepared to pay four grand a year to be 'liberated' are you, well I am sure that there are lots of workers on zero hours contracts in the UK with four grand to spare, as there life must be absolutely brilliant not knowing if they will have any employment from one day to the next, so four grand to them will be nothing. I think that Jeremy Corbyn has made one of the most informative speeches on the whole EU debate, in stating that there will be a 'bonfire of workers rights', if the UK votes to leave the EU. Do you really think that the current government will be looking after the workers, if there is no EU directives to protect them? I wish you the best of luck if you think workers rights will improve outside the EU.

So yes I would rather listen to what Obama has to say, and also Clinton, as she will most probably be the next US president, as opposed to a rag-bag bunch self-motivated individuals.

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If you're going to be silly get your facts right, Putin is the most powerful man in the world. Sounds to me like another immigrant who has sunk his all into a French dream and is scaremongering, especially now; as a lot of the "I'm not an immigrant I'm an ex-pat" crowd will not get a vote. [:D]

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The 1st priority of any government is to uphold the rule of law and the protection of its' citizens.

The 2nd priority of any government is economic stability to enable job creation.

Grecian quoted Trump as saying:

“We will spend what we need to rebuild our military. Our military dominance must be unquestioned,” he said.

“We are also going to have to change our trade, immigration and

economic policies to make our economy strong again – and to put

Americans first again.”

So that's those priorities covered.

Grecian quoted:

'his excoriation of the foreign policy record of President Barack Obama and of Hillary Clinton, his first Secretary of State,'

Apparently not unjustified.

Mark Penn, former chief strategist for Mrs Clinton and a pollster for her husband for 6 years is attributed with this.  The investegation into Clinton's email cock-up uncovered Obama's off mic remarks to a Putin caretaker at a 2012 summit in South Korea.

and I quote from that article:

“To explicitly say he is laying low on nuclear defense policies because

of his election right now and tell your opponent that is to politicize

all foreign policy, evidence [of] weakness that can be exploited by

others, and undermine the administration’s credibility,”

The pair of them appear somewhat of a 'win-double' to me.

regards

cajal

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W/B wrote,

 

Get it right, ebaynut, if you must spout

garbage, there's a good little chappie; it is quite possible to leave

substantial amounts of capital to your kids free of any form of death duties, if

you know how. And it is quite legal and above board.

 

 

 

 

I have a feeling what you call a ‘substantial’

amount and what I would call one may well be different!!!!  [:D]

 

Anyway, go for it big boy, how can you keep

this capital quite legally????

 

And please, if you do reply, leave your post on

long enough for me to be able to see it, before you delete your own posts, as

you have done in the past.  [Www]

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Grecian,

 

Thank you for the link to the UK newspaper, but it was

not necessary, I watched the speech live stream on Wednesday

afternoon, as I like to hear what is being said by the great man, and not what

highlights all the anti Trump press wish to report.

Perhaps you should watch Fox news, to get a feel for what is

happening in the states, and you may well revise your option on ‘crooked Hillary’

becoming president.

 

 

So, we are all going to be £4K worse off are we?  who

said this, George Osborne of course. The chancellor of your biggest hate, the

tory party. I read your totally OTT post, when he said he was going

to reduce PIP’s payments.

 

I

knew it would never happen, if they  (the torys) could not cut working tax credits,

there was NO way the house of lords would have passed a cut on the most

vulnerable in society.

But no, you fell for it hook line and sinker, Project

fear at its best, and you have clearly fell for this one as

well!!!!

 

With regard to lots of workers on zero hours contracts, I

guess you don't blame the EU and the huge influx of workers which

now flood the UK jobs market for this??
 

Besides, what rights do the workers have that matter, if

their wages are keep low, due the huge number of low skilled workers to the

UK???

The take home pay is the only thing that matters, and if that is low, having a few weeks off because the baby is born, is not worth FA.

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W/B wrote,

 

Get it right, ebaynut, if you must spout

garbage, there's a good little chappie; it is quite possible to leave

substantial amounts of capital to your kids free of any form of death duties, if

you know how. And it is quite legal and above board.

 

 

 

Could you please enlighten me as to what this

great plan is ???

 

 
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As you may have missed it, I said your

‘wealth’, not spare capital, which is different.

 

Most people have the major part of their

wealth in their property, and a smaller amount in funds. ( lets face it, with

interest rates at around zero, property is a  better bet anyway, at least in the

UK, and you can enjoy it far better than looking at numbers on

paper,even  if they are your numbers), so your method would be only

of any use to cash rich, asset poor people,of which I cant think of

any.

 

I do believe in your previous post, you said

this was best before reaching the age of seventy. That's hardly a good plan, to

base the passing on of your family wealth, what happens if you live beyond that

age??

 

In France each child is allowed

mere  100,000  euros before the tax man comes a

calling, very soon it will be £1,000,000 in the UK if you are married/ couple

etc, before the taxman comes a digging in your pot, and you can leave it to

whoever you wish.

 

I was merely trying to sound a note of

caution as Rabbie seemed to indicate he had a move to France

planned. and I was trying to point out the possibility of what it may cost for

perhaps a few years, also to take into account is the better care in the UK when

the time comes and you need it.

 

I am sure Russethouse  will agree

with me here, that there is an excellent care package in place in the UK for

those in the later stages of life, Hopefully  not needed for a long

time, but its nice to know its there.

 

 

Anyway, back to the subject of the thread, the

American president,  Obama is yesterdays news, Trump is now the GOP front runner

after taking all 57 seats last night. So I guess  next stop Pennsylvania

avenue.

‘Our’ Dave will have to do some back tracking

now, should be fun to see him have to be nice to Mr T.
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There are various ways of reducing French inheritance tax on property by leaving them to children in the right way; I have only a vague notion of how it is done but am about to go see my notaire to see what can be sorted.

After 70 the conditions are not so generous, but not sure of the details.

One interesting thing is that one can give kids a property but retain the usufruit which is not possible under UK inheritance law.

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I read today that Obama has asked the UK to send troops to Iraq. When it comes to the dirty work to be done it takes less than 2 weeks to ask, and the UK is at the front of the queue.

No 10 year back of the queue deal there then!.

I dont know how he has the audacity.

Also the way that he ushered dave into his own abode made our prime minister look such a weak little man.

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Given what he has had to work with, in both his own party and the Lib Dims (ooops, Dems), I reckon he has done pretty well, though he may be approaching the endtime as PM.

Imagine Osborne as PM or (as this is a French forum), some of the more way out members of Hollandes little band (Melenchon for example).

Then there is Mr Decisive Corbyn.
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W/B wrote,

 

There are various ways of reducing French

inheritance tax on property by leaving them to children in the right way; I have

only a vague notion of how it is done but am about to go see my notaire to see

what can be sorted.

After 70 the conditions are not so generous, but not

sure of the details.

One interesting thing is that one can give kids a

property but retain the usufruit which is not possible under UK inheritance law.

 

But in the UK, you can leave up to £325K each and £650K per couple to

anyone you wish, with no tax to pay. This is  going to increase to £500K and

£1,000,000 per couple shortly.

No need to spend on seeing a notaire, its so simple anyone can do it, so no

added expense for legal fees. No need for the expense of setting up a usufruit,

or similar.

 

And if that's not enough allowance for you, you can give it away, and if

you live for seven years after the gift, then no tax. Then there are trusts to

hand it on if you wish to set one up.

 

Its just such a fight with the French government to hang onto what's yours,

I was merely advising that it may not be worth all the hassle of moving to

France in later life but each to their own and another viewpoint can help, even

if you don't decide to follow it. I still fail to see how this is ‘spouting

garbage’ , just stating the way it is.

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