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Vaccines, yes, bravo, UK!

BUT what about the 4 million+ waiting list that was building up over the last several months because the UK government concentrated all resouces (especially those of the NHS) on the vaccination programme so as to be able to say that the UK has a "world-beating" vaccination programme?

You'd think that people didn't die from untreated cancers, strokes, etc and didn't suffer with unreplaced hips and other painful conditions.  If the vaccination programme was a triumph, I'd be inclined to say that it was perhaps a pyrrhic victory.  Time will tell......

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Let's go back a bit.   Back to the time of Heath - the man who gave away our territorial fishing waters in the last 24 hours before signing the Treaty.  The man who LIED to us about 'no loss of sovereignty' - and he KNEW he was lying.   That's always been a bone of contention - for 47 years.   We were promised a vote on Maastrict - did we get one - nope.  Then promised a vote on the eu Constitution (laughingly re-labelled the Lisbon Treaty but openly admitted by Chirac that it was the eu constitution but 'they' just changed the name).
We have had 47 years of lies, broken promises and outright undermining of our industries; plus inward migration of more than 5 million eu citizens.   Says a lot about the little european countries that they have lost so many of their youngest and brightest who have moved to the UK doesn't it ?
That's one aspect.
The other is that it has taken more than 40 years to 'escape' from the ever closer union, the tax harmonisation, the eu army, the Target 2 - that is all coming down the road for all citizens of little european countries.   Countries that, in the future, will be no more than regional councils of the great eu empire.
We are NOT looking at short-term or even  mid-term gains and losses;  look LONG TERM - look at where the eu is supposedly going.
Then in 40 years you can turn around and state that the UK had a lucky escape.

As for the Nissan plant in Sunderland; if I remember correctly Nissan was held up, by the doom-mongers as one plant that would close immediately, with the loss of 1000s of jobs, should the British choose to vote to leave the eu empire.
Well, we did - and we haven't lost Nissan have we....?

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Another strange post, straight out of the UKIP book of tripe.

Sovereignty - what did the UK loose? What is this odd concept that was lost that brexiters are unable to define. UK had and has full sovereign rights before during and after joining. Have you never heard of opt-outs? How many times exactly did the UK try to join and was turned down before actually joining the club?

One Margaret Thatcher single handedly destroyed the UK manufacturing base and set mining communities agaist each other, stealing jobs like she stole milk from childrens mouths.

"Says a lot about the little european countries that they have lost so many of their youngest and brightest who have moved to the UK doesn't it ?"

Ah yes, immigration, the major reason many Leavers voted. The UK of course has a sovereign right to srop immigration but couldn't be bothered mostly because it needs the workers. So 5 million just over 1 per cent of the EU 27, not really so many especially when one considers between 2008 and 2018 10 percent of the UK left for the EU. The Independant calls that the brain drain.(https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-brain-drain-migration-booming-eu-brexit-study-a9652491.html). I hope the 3 million Hong Kong passport holders will be given a warm welcome when they arrive shortly.

Oh look, the EU Army - nothing to discuss, it's a fantasy. Nothing to discuss either about the sovereign countries becoming regional councils of the mythical "EU Empire". Strange this contolling super state allows it's citizens to move about freely and goods to cross borders without checks.

Finally the Nissan plant is mentioned. It took a while so lets just tell everyone that there has been a massive financial propping up of Nissan by the UK and there has been a loos of 1500 jobs since the vote, so 900 new jobs hoorah. I'm sure all those laid off will be very grateful when and if the new factory comes into being. By the way you do know Nissan is part owned by France don't you?

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At least the UK will not have to 'impose' the european values - such as this - which some Catholic european countries are objecting to -
Why should the eu think of 'imposing' these values - if they were values wouldn't countries be happy to choose to promote them.
But to have them imposed - oh wonderful eu.

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I did not mention sovereignty - funny that.  Never mind, little regional councils of the eu won't need to worry about such important matters in future.
And all the postings about voting rights for non-resident UK citizens will be as nothing compared to the lack of democracy when the regional councils get set up.  

No mention of the eu army ?  Oh dear.
And no mention of target 21, or the potential financial problems.
Ireland isn't very happy with the eu - now being thrown under a bus by the eu.  All that lovely tempting low corporation tax that attracted so many USA companies - not going to be available - watch those companies vanish over the horison ithin the next year.   Whooops......

None of my posts are out of the UKIP literature.
You don't deny Heath lied to us ?
You don't deny the lies from Chirac about the eu constitution ?
Destruction of the UK manufacturing WAS done with the eu subsidising and bribing companies to move to other eu countries with lower employee and energy costs - don't deny it.
On top of which we had the Red Robbies of the wonderful left wing trade unions ready to call a halt to production over the slightest bit of nonsense.
Immigration was not the only reason for Brexit - there were 17.5 million different reasons - but far too many to be listed and discussed, but cannot be dismissed simply as 'sovereignty' or 'immigration' - far, far too nuanced for that.  But if it suits to think it possible to sum up 17.5 million reasons - then feel free, far cleverer than I am.................

As for sovereignty - how do you feel about the change to QVM then - how terribly democratic of tge wonderful eu ?
You have heard of it I presume ?
You have your views; I have mine;  Mine are my own views, not taken from any propagand - unlike some which sound exactly like so many other pro-eu posts, all from the same crib sheet.

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Chessie. You obviously haven't read my post and it seems you don't read your own. You say you did not mention sovereignty yet you wrote "Let's go back a bit. Back to the time of Heath - the man who gave away our territorial fishing waters in the last 24 hours before signing the Treaty. The man who LIED to us about 'no loss of sovereignty' - and he KNEW he was lying. " I also addressed the mythical Army, regional councilsm the brain drain and Nissan.

I see no reason to respond to your latter diatribe since you won't read it or apparently understand it.

You are quite entitled to your own views, you must accept that when they are wrong others are entitled to critique.
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You misunderstand me;  I did not refer to 'regaining sovereignty' in the way that others who deride Brexit use the term.  I was merely pointing out that it was Heath, the liar, who used the term - and I was quoting his words.  I did not go on to say that it was my reason for being in favour of Brexit, and nor is it the reason many others voted Brexit.
Subtle difference there........
As for the eu army - you know, if you are that well read, that it is well planned, that it will happen - so why ignore it, or refuse to admit it.
As for the regional councils - again if you are so well read you will be aware that it is planned, that the UK was, I believe to be RC No 9....... so why ignore this ?
It is the future direction of the eu empire, the 'ever closer union', the grabbing of more and more power to Brussels and away from democratically elected national government that should be a worry to european citizens.
There's many many other arguments - just because my views are different to yours does not make them wrong you know.....
Time will tell - Target 2 - any feelings about that ?   And the German constitution rulings about this ?

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A post that manages to not only moan about Brexit but also condemns Mrs Thatcher!!

Quite unique, a remoaner and rabid socialist all rolled into one!! we need a new name:. A competition is needed;

How about a re-mocialist,
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Excuse me - but I did not insult you, at all - that is an unnecessary slur and I do not appreciate it.
Secondly - how is it that when tackled, pro-eu fanatics are never able to defend some eu actions.
I have asked some very serious, and real, questions on here.  

About the eu's down-grading of animal feed - no comments.  (Despite the possible religious back-lash over this down-grade).

About the eu's threats to Hungary (and Slovenia) about the promoting of 'eu values' - ie having to push the LGBT agenda in schools - in catholic countries.  If anything such threats to individual eu countries is not really an 'eu value' is it ?  And why should the forced promoting of LGBT be of any concern to the eu anyway ?

Or, in today's Guardian, how the actions of the eu are causing problems for non-EU citizens, world-wide; this 'ban', originally aimed at the UK, has now rebounded on the eu - what 'eu values' are being shown there ?

I also pointed out the facts over the eu army - no comment.
Target 2 - which is going to cause huge problems - no comment.

I don't think the accusation of insults is at all right. 

How about answering some of the questions and criticisms of the wonderful 'ever closer union' eu - and stop accusing others of being insulting.  I find it just as insulting to have serious questions, and criticisms of the eu, being totally ignored.


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I've looked up Target 2. As far as I can tell it's something to do with Banking ( sorta like swift transfers ) and has been around since 2007 when it took over from Target 1. I, for one, would be very interested in knowing what it is you feel is so dangerous about it?

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So I am a pro-eu fanatic, no, hardly an insult at all. It is in the way you use it. Please note I am not a eu fanatic I merely dislike slurs born out of ignorance like the bendy banana, the non existant eu army, Turkey joining etc etc.

So, to respond in the order of your post:

Once again I have to point out that I have commented on animal feed.

One of the EU stated aims is the protection of minorities, LGBT falls within that remit and is what ALL members sign up to. You complain elsewhere that Catholic countries have voted against the EU proposals. Even the Vatican will tell you that inclination towards LGBT is not a sin and no-one should have an issue. You have mis-quoted that it's about promoting LGBT or any other minority to children in schools, it's about promoting tolerance and the best place to start is with childrens education.

The India az vaccine manufacturing has not been approved by the EU health authority. What else can it do until it is approved? It has nothing to do with the UK being punished for anything.

Three times I have stated that there is no such thing as the EU army. How many more times?

Target2 what on earth are you suggesting now? This is the method of transferring money in and out of the EU via the ecb. Target has been running since 1999, replaced by target 2 in 2007, why the sudden interest? No reply is necessary.

Point by point that covers your last post.

Not a fanatic but I admit to support of a system which has kept peace between waring nations while improving the individual expectations.
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"One of the EU stated aims is the protection of minorities, LGBT falls within that remit and is what ALL members sign up to"

Ummm...hello...Hungary !! What is the EU going to do about that ???


In terms of peace, there are two countries that have created more tension in the EU since its creation than any others. I am guessing, you live in one of them.

Just saying.

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Mr Huge wrote the following post at 05/07/2021 13:54:

Boris Johnson is throwing £100m in subsidies to Nissan. No wonder they are happy to stay in Sunderland. (£100m is the estimate - he won't actually admit to how much the subsidy is.)

You offer two scenarios here,

A, Johnson is throwing £100m in subsidies to Nissan

B, £100m is the estimate.

So who's estimate, yours?.
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[quote user="Mr Huge"]Boris Johnson is throwing £100m in subsidies to Nissan. No wonder they are happy to stay in Sunderland. (£100m is the estimate - he won't actually admit to how much the subsidy is.)[/quote]

£100 million one off? It sure as h.ell pales into insignificance alongside the €387billion worth of subsidies over the next 7 years that the EU will be ploughing (pun intended) into the farming industry via the Common Agricultural Policy.

Boris Johnson would be insane to turn down the deal with Nissan as the 'bung' will be paid back ten-fold over the years via taxes, economic growth and employment opportunities.

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