Quillan Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Danny - So as not to make an assumption do you know who the Tehran 15 are? If you think you do could you say, a brief sentence will do. I am asking because we might be talking about two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote user="Dick Smith"]"I thought my post was much funnier."I think that may sum up your problem.I was just thinking that a thread like this was doing well without moderation, then an idiot turns up to make mock of a serious post.Surely you are not referring to me!!!Well perhaps we can self-moderate here. ????No-one seems to agree with you, Danny. Oh no! does that mean I am in a minority - It is just as well we have free speech!Everyone seems to think your posts are puerile and unhelpful.Everyone ? how do you know that?Perhaps you could consider making a sensible contribution, or if not, leaving it to people who are.Thank you HeadmasterSimply being offensive is neither funny, nor clever, nor big.Thank you again Headmaster but you do not have a monopoly on being offendedThanks for your advice Dick but it is not asked for and not taken and If I want to know what my problem is I know where not to go[/quote]RegardsDanny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote user="Quillan"]Danny - So as not to make an assumption do you know who the Tehran 15 are? If you think you do could you say, a brief sentence will do. I am asking because we might be talking about two different things.[/quote]I presume that the "Tehran 15" refers to the British service personnel held in Iran at the moment.Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote user="Jane and Danny"] [quote user="Quillan"]Danny - So as not to make an assumption do you know who the Tehran 15 are? If you think you do could you say, a brief sentence will do. I am asking because we might be talking about two different things.[/quote]I presume that the "Tehran 15" refers to the British service personnel held in Iran at the moment.Danny[/quote]Then really your comment about them is rather unwarranted and I think, more than anything, that is what has upset people and I have to say that includes myself. That said these unfortunate peoples position have little or nothing to do with this thread so can we all try and stay on topic please.Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Quillan, please forgive my 'still off topic' response, it will, I promise be the last (from me anyway).Danny, you refer to my "incredibly simplistic forum signature", by that I assume you mean "powerdesal", its a derivation of power and desalination which is my occupation. I am a Power and Desalination specialist Engineer, employed in the United Arab Emirates. Now, is that less "simplistic" for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Smith Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Danny - I see that you are determined to make a fool of yourself, a task at which you are succeeding quite well.However, you seem to think that free speech is equivalent to unbridled offensiveness. It isn't, that is simply immature. Free speech requires a degree of responsibility and self-restraint. It is not to be wasted or devalued by childish posturing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beryl Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 When I read Jane and Danny's comment first, I thought it was a bit off. Then I re read it with Steve's signature line.FREE ! The Tehran 15 and the St Malo 1. ( my emphasis) Hence Danny's reply, I don't want one even if they are going free.Might not push everyones sense of humour buttons but that was how I interpreted it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tresco Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote user="Dick Smith"]Danny - I see that you are determined to make a fool of yourself, a task at which you are succeeding quite well.[/quote]Talk about damning with faint praise. I thought he was succeeding admirably. Oops sorry. Off Topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote user="powerdesal"]Quillan, please forgive my 'still off topic' response, it will, I promise be the last (from me anyway).Danny, you refer to my "incredibly simplistic forum signature", by that I assume you mean "powerdesal", its a derivation of power and desalination which is my occupation. I am a Power and Desalination specialist Engineer, employed in the United Arab Emirates. Now, is that less "simplistic" for you?[/quote]No, I was referring to your Free the Tehran 15 and the St Malo 1 signatureregardsDanny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote user="Dick Smith"]Danny - I see that you are determined to make a fool of yourself, a task at which you are succeeding quite well.However, you seem to think that free speech is equivalent to unbridled offensiveness. It isn't, that is simply immature. Free speech requires a degree of responsibility and self-restraint. It is not to be wasted or devalued by childish posturing.[/quote]Dick,please refrain from lecturing me. My "immaturity" or "offensiveness" or "childish posturing"??? Is that the formula to use if someone doesn't agree with you ? Try to belittle them ? doesn't strike me as very adult.regardsDanny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Smith Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 But Danny - it's exactly what you were doing! Besides which I doubt if anything I wrote could reduce your standing in anyone's eyes but your own. It's already too low.It was meant as constructive criticism, but I can see that you lack the necessary self-awareness to benefit. As seen in your new signature line, which is about as offensive as it is possible to be.Thank you for singlehandedly destroying a very interesting thread.I suggest we all stop feeding the troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Danny - you are out of date, the Iranian Five have been released http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6232735.stmLets hope the 15 Royal Navy personel held by the Iranians are free very soon and do not have to stand trialhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6513639.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Dick,Instead of offering constructive criticism, you could just try to answer me directly and like I said before, stop being so condescendingMaybe you could start by explaining in what way my signature line is in any way more offensive than 'Free the Tehran 15'You might not agree with me, or share the same sense of humour but you should not attempt to label me an "idiot" prone to "childish posturing"Some might be offended indeedregardsDanny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beryl Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote user="Russethouse"]Lets hope the 15 Royal Navy personel held by the Iranians are free very soon and do not have to stand trial[/quote]Obviously those that have spoken publically about their detention have done so under duress but it wouldn't help their case if they do have to stand trial. I gather that it is policy to co operate with captors, I wonder if this will be reviewed now. Would the UN ( who don't seem to have done a great deal so far, unless I have missed it ) be involved to ensure that a fair trial takes place if it comes to that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Russethousemaybe I am out of date, but maybe not http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/03/us_holds_300_prisoners_linked.phpIt strikes me that there is much about going on here that no one (including me) knows aboutregardsDanny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Smith Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 I don't think the UN can do anything about a fair trial inside Iran short of invade.The problem with UN action so far is that Russia is prepared to use its security council veto on any strong action. This is generally ascribed to their close commercial ties with Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 If you follow the BBC link Beryl there are links to other discussion including what Iranians think about the situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote user="Jane and Danny"]Russethousemaybe I am out of date, but maybe not http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/03/us_holds_300_prisoners_linked.phpIt strikes me that there is much about going on here that no one (including me) knows aboutregardsDanny[/quote]I saw a figure of 300, which five are you supporting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Dordogne Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 For goodness sakes, do we have to go through all this nonsense?Handbags as Mark Laurenson calls this sort of thing refering to footballers.How about everybody stepping back and decide/understand/accept that several people on the Forum don't like other people's styles, humour or ways of expressing themselves? Difference is allowed surely?And get a life, it's only a bloody internet forum after all, it's not important, matter of life and death, vital to the national interest or anything like that. You guys sound like the reports of the interaction between Iran and the UK - all yaboo and posturing, I'm cleverer than you, you're patronising me, just like the real crises in the world, thank goodness the 15 service personnel aren't depending on people here for their freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beryl Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 [quote user="Russethouse"]If you follow the BBC link Beryl there are links to other discussion including what Iranians think about the situation[/quote]Quite moderate really aren't they ? I saw images of a few Iranian people protesting with placards demanding a nasty fate for the servicemen and woman and thought they had probably been hired to try and up the ante . Not very subtle propaganda but probably very effective in some Muslim countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renaud Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 The EU is Iran’s largest trading partner. The most likely way to free our servicemen and women is the threat of, or actual implementation of trade sanctions. Let us see how much our EU partners are prepared to help. Then New Labour can go back to talking about a European foreign policy and defence force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Don't Worry.If, like me you were concerned about those sailors arrested and held in Iran, then stop worrying.Margaret Beckett has said that she has got it all in hand, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beryl Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Whatever anyones political persuasion, I am sure that most people would accept that every effort is being taken by the UK Government to secure their release. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear ( reading media reports) that Iran has made its mind up what action it intends to take or what it wants from Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Smith Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 The problem, of course, is that in this context 'Iran' is the wrong term - the prisoners are being used as pawns in an internal power game as much as an external propaganda exercise. Which is why it will be extremely difficult to negotiate them out, as there is no clear power structure to negotiate with, just the Revolutionary Guard or whatever they are called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jc Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Don't you think Blair is stirring this up so he can invade with Bush and "claim " to have a clear conscience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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