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This whole strike business is getting beyond the joke.

Today on the news, shops are being looted in Lyon and cars set alight in Paris.

Last week I was cycling to the local supermarket and the gendarmes stopped me from continuing for my own safety due to a student protest re the grève.

What! Arrest the students, don’t block me.

In this area there is no petrol that I know about.

Today the post office was closed, due, yes you have guessed.

My neighbour, a midwife is worried how to get to work due lack of fuel.

My son flies into Paris next week, he normally rents a car and visits, now he is concerned about the availability of the fuel to make the journey. If he takes the TGV, it will probably go on strike during the journey.

There are delays at ports and the channel tunnel, re BBC travel this morning.

In the past the gendarmes have turned a blind eye to sheep being burnt alive, diesel poured over fresh fish and much graffiti splashed on our local roads during the more recent milk pricing problems.

Are the gendarmes only here for speeding tickets?

Some senior gendarmes certainly do not uphold the law in dangerous dog management as was mentioned in a thread under pets a few days ago.

If the rebels want to cause problems, why don’t they chat up Mme S but please don’t let the innocent public suffer.

Us, well we are planning a move to a more civilised part of the world ASAP.

I wrote this in a hurry to pack, so please no comments about grammatical or spelling errors.

 

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I think I might be right in saying that the Gendarmes may agree with the strike but can't take part because they can't go on strike being part of the army. I say this because 8 or 9 years ago in Perpignan, they fired tear gas in the opposite direction and generally did nothing then stopped at 12:00 for lunch with the strikers then back on 'duty' at 14:00 busy looking the other way.
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"we are planning a move to a more civilised part of the world ASAP"

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Had you heard of the French revolution before you came here?

Or the Constitution of 1793?

Or May 1968?

France is a country where the balance between the forces of oppression and the power of the people has a different balance to that of Britain.

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[quote user="NormanH"]"we are planning a move to a more civilised part of the world ASAP"
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Had you heard of the French revolution before you came here?
Or the Constitution of 1793?
Or May 1968?

France is a country where the balance between the forces of oppression and the power of the people has a different balance to that of Britain.


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have you not heard of the balance of democracy and the power of the Trot scum and the opportunist left trying to undermine it!

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People tell me at the moment that France is in turmoil and as I 've seen it all before, it shocks me not one little bit.

As NormanH said, the french believe in their 'right' to revolt and they use it when they feel the need.

Wooly, would you have the french all calm, diplomatic and reasonable, just think what the scumbag politicans would be like if they didn't have a 'fear' of the people. French policitians are already bad enough as it is.
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[quote user="ebaynut"][quote user="Clair"]I watched images of the "protests" on the  French news and couldn't help but be reminded of the poll tax and Moss Side riots back in the days...

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Moss side, Toxteth, Broadwater farm, all good reasons for the UK to have closed it boarders years ago IMHO. None of these can be blamed on the English.[/quote]

As opposed to Bloody Sunday for example? Or Don't you count Northern Ireland as part of the UK?

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[quote user="NormanH"]"we are planning a move to a more civilised part of the world ASAP"

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Had you heard of the French revolution before you came here?

Or the Constitution of 1793?

Or May 1968?

France is a country where the balance between the forces of oppression and the power of the people has a different balance to that of Britain.

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I thought both were modern democracies. The left were defeated last time around so resort to bully boy tactics now, the same as Britain in the 1970s. France is no different just behind the times, it's people too used to doing what they're told by either fonctionnaires or union leaders to stomach real change. It'll be interesting to see how the left deal with the 'demands of the people' when they get in power. Will they reverse the pensions changes ? What do you reckon Norman ? My money is on them accepting it as a fait accompli and blaming Sarkozy but knowing that really this is the only option (in fact even more trimming of the bloated state machine and costs will become necessary).

Britain isn't different, just ahead of the game.

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[quote user="betty"]

Today on the news, shops are being looted in Lyon and cars set alight in Paris.

 

What! Arrest the students, don’t block me.

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Just for clarification purposes, the youth looting shops and burning cars (and pelting the police) are NOT students. They are from the banlieues, they can easily mingle with the students and lycéens so it is difficult to tell them apart. It is unusual for them to get out of their patch and try to have some fun with the police, and burn cars that are not their neighbours. That is an interesting development, if that trend spreads further.

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Wryly amusing to me.

A touch of the Whingeing Pom Syndrome, but applied to la belle France.

[:)]

Enshrined in the legal codes of the Fifth Republic is the absolute right to free assembly and protest.

Naturally, the French equivalent of Rent-A-Mob joins in: seems those commenting from their Ivory Towers have missed the identical actions of the misnamed UK outfit Unite Against Fascism...........

France is a working man's state: not necessarily a Socialist state: and thus the two terms are not mutually inclusive.

Remember, both Lionel Jospin and Domenique De Villepin both failed to reform the social contract and thus were forced to resign as PM.

Now, if Le Petit President had his way and the desired way of the far right (Who backed him and support him still), France would open its doors to global markets, energy would be wholly de-regulated and the international wheeler dealers, venal hedge funds et al would buy and sell EDF-GDF, break it up and add multiple layers of cost and capital obligation each step of the way: and so on.

Then these forum pages would groan with threads entitled such as "Can My Electricity Bill Really Be So High?"

Stop attempting to superimpose clouded concepts of British politics and society onto France: it's different!

Now if most of you had have paid the sort of cotisations suffered by the French in funding the original concept of the Social State, then you would also fight tooth and claw to prevent profligate politicians stealing and wasting your hard earner benefits!

Also please remember how BLiar dealt with the last fuel protests in Britain: the right to free assembly and protest whilst sort of extant in the UK, doesn't work in practise when you have a sort of Neo-Fascist government, masquerading as Socialists...............

Under Call me Dave it will prove an elusive dream indeed!

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[quote user="5-element"][quote user="betty"]

Today on the news, shops are being looted in Lyon and cars set alight in Paris.

 

What! Arrest the students, don’t block me.

[/quote]

Just for clarification purposes, the youth looting shops and burning cars (and pelting the police) are NOT students. They are from the banlieues, they can easily mingle with the students and lycéens so it is difficult to tell them apart. It is unusual for them to get out of their patch and try to have some fun with the police, and burn cars that are not their neighbours. That is an interesting development, if that trend spreads further.

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With due respect, you have misquoted me, I wrote:

 

'Last week I was cycling to the local supermarket and the gendarmes stopped me from continuing for my own safety due to a student protest re the grève.

What! Arrest the students, don’t block me'.

 

In this case they were students.

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Sorry Betty, I understood that you were referring to the casseurs.

I would never have dreamt that anyone would think that it is the students who should be ARRESTED for demonstrating - not a criminal offence in France - in fact, the right to demonstrate is embedded into the French constitution.

So, demonstrating in France has not yet been declared a criminal offence. Except, of course, in October 1961 in Paris, where up to 200 people were shot, beaten to death, or drowned in the Seine by the police - with a big cover-up after.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961   end of parenthesis.

 

Even Michele Alliot-Marie recognises the right to strike and demonstrate!

http://www.europe1.fr/Politique/Le-droit-de-manifester-pas-de-casser-292211/

 

 

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Imagine Betty if the gendarmes had let you continue on your way, you may not have been physically harmed by the students, but could have been delayed further and may have found being surrounded by a large number of students quite intimidating. Sometimes the gendarmes can't do right for doing wrong.

Gluestick commented ...'have missed the identical actions of the misnamed UK outfit Unite Against Fascism'

is this the group that appear opposite the equally misnamed outfit English Defense League , Gluestick?
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[quote user="ebaynut"][quote user="Clair"]I watched images of the "protests" on the  French news and couldn't help but be reminded of the poll tax and Moss Side riots back in the days...

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Moss side, Toxteth, Broadwater farm, all good reasons for the UK to have closed it boarders years ago IMHO. None of these can be blamed on the English.[/quote]

It happened in England so whose fault was it?
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[quote user="5-element"]

Sorry Betty, I understood that you were referring to the casseurs.

I would never have dreamt that anyone would think that it is the students who should be ARRESTED for demonstrating - not a criminal offence in France - in fact, the right to demonstrate is embedded into the French constitution.

So, demonstrating in France has not yet been declared a criminal offence. Except, of course, in October 1961 in Paris, where up to 200 people were shot, beaten to death, or drowned in the Seine by the police - with a big cover-up after.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961   end of parenthesis.

 

Even Michele Alliot-Marie recognises the right to strike and demonstrate!

http://www.europe1.fr/Politique/Le-droit-de-manifester-pas-de-casser-292211/

 

 

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If Betty had to be stopped from going about her peaceful lawful business because she would be in DANGER to do so, then I would suggest that this was more than a demonstration that was taking place.
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[quote user="Gardener"][quote user="ebaynut"][quote user="Clair"]I watched images of the "protests" on the  French news and couldn't help but be reminded of the poll tax and Moss Side riots back in the days...

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Moss side, Toxteth, Broadwater farm, all good reasons for the UK to have closed it boarders years ago IMHO. None of these can be blamed on the English.[/quote]

It happened in England so whose fault was it?[/quote]

The UK governments fault for allowing people from outside the UK to live in the country.

The Polices for not stopping it, maybe.

As always the Police are big and brave when clubbing striking miners or murdering newspaper salesmen when they are walking home from work in the city of London, but give the UK old bill a race riot, then they are truly GUTLESS.
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My God

Are you saying that the UK should not have allowed anyone from overseas to live in the UK?

Are you not an immigrant in France?

The race riots of the 80s were the result of a great number of issues inc social deprivation, poverty, racial disadvantage. Britain has worked hard to resolve some of these issues within the (British born) afro caribbean communities and the police service had to change too.

These are the same problems that exist in the banlieus today and haven't been fully addressed yet.
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