Patf Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 France was just about the last European country to allow women to vote. Whether that was due to men's oppression, or women's lack of effort, I don't know.I thought this might be connected to the large rural population which seems to have rather reactionary attitudes - but look at DSK's wife! (Who is a real towny.) How can she still support him? Probably because he's well-off, but possibly not for much longer. Or maybe she has had her own peccadilloes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Patf, she is very rich on her own account, probably far richer than he is and from what I have read is supporting him at the moment.We have a swiss friend, married to a french lady and he would not go back to Switzerland until all women in Switzerland had the vote, which I think they got it in Appenzell in the 1990's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Stopped listening to B-H Levy when he married Barbie, well that is how I always saw Arielle Dombasle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 [quote user="idun"][:)][:)][:)] Ah yes! d'Avor. I typed that four times that 'i' kept appearing, my fingers seem to have developed a will of their own recently, and touch they keys they want to touch. So, I have trouble spelling to start with and now my fingers have 'their' way of spelling, getting quite disturbing.[:-))]So what is zicked, I had thought it was trolling, but in that context doesn't look like it. [/quote]From afrikaans slang, meaning fired. But not literally.zik – Groetvorm"Zik my blaar." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 [quote user="Patf"]... llook at DSK's wife! (Who is a real towny.) How can she still support him? Probably because he's well-off, but possibly not for much longer. Or maybe she has had her own peccadilloes.[/quote]I get the impression that she has (had?) her eyes on the Palais de l"Elysée and sees herself fitting the role of the Président's wife quite nicely, thank you.By all accounts, she is a very intelligent woman, but clearly blind to his faults, ever-forgiving... and possibly secretly slightly smug that he comes home to her, not to any of his other fancies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanary Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Thanks for answering my questions, Clair, so despite the alleged nasty taste left by his remarks to a friend's daughter and also having allegedly (unproven) assaulted the same female, DSK has no previous convictions relating to sex offences or any other crimes?Therefore this "outrageous allegation made by the hotel maid is totally uinsubstantiated and goes completely against this man's past good record"...Steady - I am playing devil's advocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 The article which Clair linked to from the Observer is fascinating. Sad for the left if their future hopeful turns out to have clay feet but even if he does, he can be proud of his legacy if he has awoken the women's movement in France. A great result for any true socialist, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyA Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Well said Cooperlola. I remember when I was active in the WLM in the seventies that there was a real frustration that the women's movement in France could not get off the ground. Let's hope this leads to some real changes in attitude; I still simply can't believe some of the things said by friends of DSK, even if they have retracted their remarks later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Deb, hello, sorry to interrupt , you got a PM from me . [;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 [quote user="Frenchie"]Deb, hello, sorry to interrupt , you got a PM from me . [;-)][/quote]Interrupt away, the Grand Prix's finished![:D] [kiss] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 [quote user="cooperlola"][quote user="Frenchie"]Deb, hello, sorry to interrupt , you got a PM from me . [;-)][/quote]Interrupt away, the Grand Prix's finished![:D] [kiss][/quote]Ah, good, hope you enjoyed it. I watched Rolland Garros, Jo- Wilfried Tsonga has won, great !! [:)][kiss] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 [quote user="Mel"]Thanks for answering my questions, Clair, so despite the alleged nasty taste left by his remarks to a friend's daughter and also having allegedly (unproven) assaulted the same female, DSK has no previous convictions relating to sex offences or any other crimes?Therefore this "outrageous allegation made by the hotel maid is totally uinsubstantiated and goes completely against this man's past good record"...Steady - I am playing devil's advocate. [/quote] I know it was in the Mail, but including this one I think an article in the week mention 6 or 7 other instances of 'dubious' behavior...are they all untrue? Strikes me he is an 'old roue' who now finds himself out of step with new thinking ...........One thing does make me smile, imagine if he was elected, would Angela Merkel find herself with DSK on one side and Belusconi on the other ? [:D]ould that make her smile ? [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanary Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Frenchie - really pleased lots of us were able to persuade you to come back - you have a lot to offer on here and it would be awful to lose you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 [quote user="Mel"]Thanks for answering my questions, Clair, so despite the alleged nasty taste left by his remarks to a friend's daughter and also having allegedly (unproven) assaulted the same female, DSK has no previous convictions relating to sex offences or any other crimes?Therefore this "outrageous allegation made by the hotel maid is totally uinsubstantiated and goes completely against this man's past good record"...Steady - I am playing devil's advocate. [/quote]Not your forte![6],perhaps.The Beast relates a plausible account of events, of course, not under oath, http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-21/dominique-strauss-kahns-sexual-assault-case-what-happened/# but the "man of calibre" will get one further chance to modify his plea before the trial proper begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanary Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 [quote user="Russethouse"][quote user="Mel"]Thanks for answering my questions, Clair, so despite the alleged nasty taste left by his remarks to a friend's daughter and also having allegedly (unproven) assaulted the same female, DSK has no previous convictions relating to sex offences or any other crimes?Therefore this "outrageous allegation made by the hotel maid is totally uinsubstantiated and goes completely against this man's past good record"...Steady - I am playing devil's advocate. [/quote] I know it was in the Mail, but including this one I think an article in the week mention 6 or 7 other instances of 'dubious' behavior...are they all untrue? Strikes me he is an 'old roue' who now finds himself out of step with new thinking ...........One thing does make me smile, imagine if he was elected, would Angela Merkel find herself with DSK on one side and Belusconi on the other ? [:D]ould that make her smile ? [:D][/quote]I have to be honest and say I knew very little about DSK before all this blew up and ceratinly knew nothing about his political aspirations...What I have been trying to do is look at the facts that are available through the eyes of someone who worked with the UK police for more than 30 years. I cannot do so through the eyes of American or French law as I know very little about either (albeit I have worked with the police in Chicago). However, I do understand that in both our countries, anyone is innocent until proven guilty. And certainly in the UK, all the rumour and speculation about his supposed past, would be inadmissable as 'hearsay'. In my opinion that is quite correct and ought to be the same in America, but I do not know if it is.In the courts that I know, a jury would be instructed by the judge to disregard any rumour or speculation they may have heard or read in the media, and to make their decision based only on the facts put before the court...And at the moment, if that is the rule in America as well, in my opinion DSK will not get convicted on anything and everything that has been discussed anywhere in this really interesting thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 [quote user="Mel"]Frenchie - really pleased lots of us were able to persuade you to come back - you have a lot to offer on here and it would be awful to lose you![/quote]Merci ! [:)] [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 [quote user="Mel"]And at the moment, if that is the rule in America as well, in my opinion DSK will not get convicted on anything and everything that has been discussed anywhere in this really interesting thread![/quote]Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 [quote user="Mel"][quoteIn my opinion that is quite correct and ought to be the same in America, but I do not know if it is.In the courts that I know, a jury would be instructed by the judge to disregard any rumour or speculation they may have heard or read in the media, and to make their decision based only on the facts put before the court...And at the moment, if that is the rule in America as well, in my opinion DSK will not get convicted on anything and everything that has been discussed anywhere in this really interesting thread![/quote]I am pretty sure that it is the same in the US. Their laws may be different but their adversarial legal system is very similar to Britain's afaik. The problem is that it's easy to tell people not to be influenced by the media - it's far more difficult to make them! There is also, from the little I see which spills over onto TV here, a huge market in "court TV" and lots of pundits commentating all the time on these kinds of cases (because, let's face it, it's pretty juicy in media terms). On the plus side (for him), I think the Americans are pretty insular and - IMF head or not - probably are less invested in his future and his past than we are in Europe. And they didn't convict OJ, did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Mel, I suspect you may be a little premature : we do not know whether all or part of the maids story is true - but it seems likelty that DNA evidence will play a part.You also seem to be presupposing that all the other accusations are untrue - Even if he is innocent - does anyone think he is going to to rise phoenix like and still be a candidate in the French election ? How many womens votes do you think he'd get ? Or will he and his supporters put him forward as an icon of French values?Frankly, at present he reminds me of Steptoes father[;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 [quote user="Mel"][ in my opinion DSK will not get convicted on anything and everything that has been discussed anywhere in this really interesting thread![/quote]As I posted many pages ago, I don't care which way it goes for him.He made his bed and even if, in this instance, he was pushed, he is only reaping the seeds... blah blah blah...I do care that the acceptance by a wide majority of the political class that what this kind of behaviour is OK has been brought into the limelight.I do care that the hypocrisy fostered by the cosy lie-in between the press and politicians in France is being discussed, criticised and denounced world-wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanary Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Yes (to Russethouse), and I am sure I have covered those points in earlier posts...I am certainly not presupposing the accusations are untrue, what I am saying is that, whilst unproven, they remain rumour and speculation and are inadmissable in a court of law.As for the DNA, I covered that as well when I said a good lawyer will turn that round...I have no idea who is telling the truth, who is guilty or what either of them have done before. I always hope that honesty will win the day and anyone who is lying gets found out. But I have been around for a few years now and know that does not always happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanary Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 As long as we all respect each other's thoughts and opinions, this is a really good thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 [quote user="Russethouse"] Even if he is innocent - does anyone think he is going to to rise phoenix like and still be a candidate in the French election ? How many womens votes do you think he'd get ? [/quote]No, he wouldn't be a candidate, it is obvious. Maybe that was the goal ? But, surprisingly, from the most recent polls,without him, the socialistes would still get more votes than Sarkozy, and marine Le Pen would not be on the second round. To me, that's what matters.And just to inform someone who wrote I was lost because I had lost my favorite candidate.. Sorry to disappoint you, but I am not a socialist, and among the potential socialist candidates, DSK was not my favourite. [;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Frenchie, welcome back!!!![:D][:D][:D][kiss][kiss][kiss](3 times in the Dordogne!)I am very impressed by Christine Lagarde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 [quote user="sweet 17"] Frenchie, welcome back!!!![:D][:D][:D][kiss][kiss][kiss](3 times in the Dordogne!)I am very impressed by Christine Lagarde[/quote][kiss][:)][;-)]Merci sweet !The name of Christine Lagarde is often quoted. It seems she's also Germany's choice.She has a few assets, bilingual, lived in the USA, a very clever woman ;etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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