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No country has the perfect legal system. Too many wrong convictions occur and too many guilty people get away with it. In my opinion the scottish system which allows three verdicts - Guilty, Not Guilty and Not Proven comes nearest to clearing an innocent person's name. After all in England and USA a Not Guilty verdict just means that the guilt has not been proved beyond reasonable doubt. The biggest failing in many countries is in the treatment of people before trial - the remand system in many countries leaves much to be desired and far too long can elapse between arrest and trial.

 

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There are a whole host of people and organisations who might well want him out of the way ranging from Greek communists to perhaps even members of his own family.

And his own past behaviour would seem to have set the stage perfectly for a set up - if such a thing actually occurred

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If he did IT its justice.

If he didn't do IT its comeuppance.

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[quote user="cooperlola"] What would have happened to a poor, non-white, accused (but "guilty until proved innocent") person in the same circumstances in France, the US or the UK, I am given to wonder? [/quote]

Well for sure in the UK he would have immediately got bail, not attended for his first court appearance, gone on to rape a Mother and daughter and their cousins before being caught again, the Judge would not have been allowed to deport him, he would have got off on a technicality and then sued for wrongful arrest. [:-))][;-)]

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[quote user="Frenchie"][quote user="woolybanana"]

DSK is treated as any other person who is suspected of committing a crime in the US. Why should he be treated differently?

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I never said he should have been treated differently !

That's the treatment of any person " innocent until proven guilty" that I disagree with .

 

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Well Frenchie, I understood perfectly what you meant and I agree with you...

It is the sight that tends to shock. That of a person, any person, who is still innocent and yet is handcuffed and treated as though they were a mass murderer.

The sad thing is, having worked with the police in Chicago, this treatment of prisoners is how they treat everybody and it largely stems from their concern that an officer might get shot or injured by somebody who is under arrest. I can't see how they justify that when a person is already in custody and has obviously been thoroughly searched other than the fact if they treat all arrested persons the same way in every situation, they should never forget to shackle a real killer...

But even though I have been there, done that and know why it is happening, I still cringe a bit when a person who is not really a threat - sometimes an elderly lady - is treated in this way.

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Alternativly he could get some old duffer of a judge like some 'lucky' chap did according to the TV a couple days ago. He gave the rapist five years with a recomendation he gets out in two because the woman he raped was 'asking for it' according to the judge.

Perhaps that will be DSK's excuse if found guilty, "she was wearing a maids unifom, I thought she was a 'pro', she was gagging for it".

I can smell a film in this somewhere and a lot of money.

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[quote user="Mel"][quote user="Frenchie"][quote user="woolybanana"]

DSK is treated as any other person who is suspected of committing a crime in the US. Why should he be treated differently?

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I never said he should have been treated differently !

That's the treatment of any person " innocent until proven guilty" that I disagree with .

 

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Well Frenchie, I understood perfectly what you meant and I agree with you...

It is the sight that tends to shock. That of a person, any person, who is still innocent and yet is handcuffed and treated as though they were a mass murderer.

The sad thing is, having worked with the police in Chicago, this treatment of prisoners is how they treat everybody and it largely stems from their concern that an officer might get shot or injured by somebody who is under arrest. I can't see how they justify that when a person is already in custody and has obviously been thoroughly searched other than the fact if they treat all arrested persons the same way in every situation, they should never forget to shackle a real killer...

But even though I have been there, done that and know why it is happening, I still cringe a bit when a person who is not really a threat - sometimes an elderly lady - is treated in this way.
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I heard it was also to hinder people trying to do a 'runner'. Still you have to admit they don't discriminate the rich from the poor, they are all handcuffed.

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I heard it was also to hinder people trying to do a 'runner'. Still you have to admit they don't discriminate the rich from the poor, they are all handcuffed.

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Yes it is Quillan, but to do a runner from an American cop you need to run faster than a bullet. It is mostly as I described. And regarding not discriminating - that is correct too because they handcuff everybody.

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Digressing for a moment...

It strikes me there are a few people who post on this forum, and very noticeably on this thread, whose priority seems to be to always have a go at certain other people...

Can't we all just accept we will not always agree and stop being bitchy?

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[quote user="Mel"][quote user="Frenchie"][quote user="woolybanana"]

DSK is treated as any other person who is suspected of committing a crime in the US. Why should he be treated differently?

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I never said he should have been treated differently !

That's the treatment of any person " innocent until proven guilty" that I disagree with .

 

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Well Frenchie, I understood perfectly what you meant and I agree with you...

It is the sight that tends to shock. That of a person, any person, who is still innocent and yet is handcuffed and treated as though they were a mass murderer.

The sad thing is, having worked with the police in Chicago, this treatment of prisoners is how they treat everybody and it largely stems from their concern that an officer might get shot or injured by somebody who is under arrest. I can't see how they justify that when a person is already in custody and has obviously been thoroughly searched other than the fact if they treat all arrested persons the same way in every situation, they should never forget to shackle a real killer...

But even though I have been there, done that and know why it is happening, I still cringe a bit when a person who is not really a threat - sometimes an elderly lady - is treated in this way.
[/quote]Long before DSK this struck me as an inhumane practice (seen every day on US cop' dramas if you watch such things) and it still does. 

There has also been some talk of the fact that the "perp walk" is thought of by some police as being a way of displaying their "trophies" as it were in the form of the person they have just arrested.  Is that something you found in Chicago, Mel?

One point on which, though, I felt there was some misinformation was the fact that when DSK was taken to a police station in Harlem this was somehow reported as if it were discriminatory, whereas it is simply the location of the - specialist - Special Victims' Unit in New York.

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[quote user="Mel"]Digressing for a moment...

It strikes me there are a few people who post on this forum, and very noticeably on this thread, whose priority seems to be to always have a go at certain other people...

Can't we all just accept we will not always agree and stop being bitchy?
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If you think that's the case then use the 'Report' button (on the appropriate post), that's what it is for.

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Yes it is Quillan, but to do a runner from an American cop you need to run faster than a bullet.

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I thought they were equally as good at beating up innocent black people and not investigating crimes properly which have resulted in innocent people being executed (around 8 in the last 20 years). I mean this is the country where, according to the CATO Institute report last year that 43 innocent people were killed by police, 23 Non violent offenders were killed, 17 police officers were killed but in fairness 8 were killed be other police officers, 206 innocent people were shot and recovered including a one year old boy, 173 potentially lethal raids were carried out on innocent subjects and that was just in Illinois. Apparently nationwide in excess of 40,000 raids by SWAT teams were carried out on the wrong address's.

So I guess taking a pot shot at a person in a crowded courthouse who is trying to escape would be quite acceptable. [:(]

( http://www.cato.org )

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http://actu.orange.fr/medias/jean-francois-kahn-annonce-qu-il-va-quitter-le-journalisme_140514.html

Jean-François Kahn is calling it a day.  But it's the first commentary at the bottom which is so funny!

"Avec deux Kahn en moins la France va avoir du mal à marcher!".   [:D]

 

Difficult to translate, Kahn rhymes with canne (walking stick), "with two less France is going to have a job walking".

 

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[quote user="cooperlola"] 

There has also been some talk of the fact that the "perp walk" is thought of by some police as being a way of displaying their "trophies" as it were in the form of the person they have just arrested.  Is that something you found in Chicago, Mel?

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Not actually something I came across or heard of, Deb. I can't say it does not happen though because, sadly, you do get the occasional bad cop everywhere from time-to-time.

But generally, I remain impressed with the way the American police work in very difficult circumstances. Guns and knives are far too common place and they have to be really careful with the risks they take with individuals.

Sir Robert Mark, a former commissioner of the Metropolitan Police in London, said words to the effect, "A police force will always be a mirror image of the society it serves." 

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[quote user="Mel"]

But generally, I remain impressed with the way the American police work in very difficult circumstances. Guns and knives are far too common place and they have to be really careful with the risks they take with individuals.

Sir Robert Mark, a former commissioner of the Metropolitan Police in London, said words to the effect, "A police force will always be a mirror image of the society it serves." 
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That is so true, Mel.

I 've just watched the film by Michael Moore again , " Bowling for Columbine", and indeed they have to be really careful ..

But as you said, in cases when the people have already been searched, maybe it should be different.

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[quote user="Christine Animal"]http://actu.orange.fr/medias/jean-francois-kahn-annonce-qu-il-va-quitter-le-journalisme_140514.html

Jean-François Kahn is calling it a day. [/quote]

Not a moment too soon...

For info, he defended DSK by saying he felt "certain" – or "almost" – that there had been "no violent rape

attempt" and described his friend's "carelessness" as mere "troussage de domestique" (master's right to shag the help).

With friends like him, who needs enemies...? [blink]

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[quote user="Clair"] ...described his friend's "carelessness" as mere "troussage de domestique" (master's right to shag the help).

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For me that is so difficult to accept in this day and age - there are still men about (whoever they may be) who actually believe that to be true!

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[quote user="Mel"][quote user="Clair"] ...described his friend's "carelessness" as mere "troussage de domestique" (master's right to shag the help).

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For me that is so difficult to accept in this day and age - there are still men about (whoever they may be) who actually believe that to be true!

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He apologised the following day... and he is retiring.

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The DAs office reply to the rumours put about by the defense lawyers as to the character and credibility of the victim.

Further down the report Sofitel are apparently offering their staff the option of wearing trousers as a means of protection from "chasseurs de jupons".

There is nothing to indicate that the trousers will incorporate chastity belts.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/05/26/new.york.imf.case/index.html

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Saw a report on french news from Guinea, they were trying to interview the maid's family and at least inteviewing someone.

I was so annoyed that they were there and doing that at first, however, at least if the world's journalists are there, then hopefully it would keep any IMO, inappropriate negociations being done with said family, by perhaps DSK's legal team.

 

 

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