NormanH Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 There have been posts about this in the past asking what to do about the problem.This chap took the law into his own hands and shot four of them!http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2012/12/01/97001-20121201FILWWW00307-sete-un-homme-tire-sur-des-fetards.phpTogether with the guys who brought out a chain-saw to sort out a brawl outside a night clubhttp://www.midilibre.fr/2012/11/30/la-tronconneuse-c-etait-juste-pour-se-defendre,603323.phpand the impressive arsenal of small arms discovered near mehttp://www.midilibre.fr/2012/11/30/l-inquietant-arsenal-de-deux-biterrois,603311.phpit seems that people are resorting to more and more violent means certainly in my département.All this is less than 40 kms from me and most of it less than a km! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Are there problems with the police in your area NH, as there are is in Marseille?Not that I have much confidence in the police in France, and sometimes not here at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 voyoucratieGreat word!!!Looks like the "chainsaw defence" against the rugbymen is going to make it into jurisprudence [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted December 1, 2012 Author Share Posted December 1, 2012 I have no evidence to suggest police corruption here, but plenty to have the feeling that they are reluctant to get directly involved when large groups of 'gens de voyage' are involved. Sometimes you wonder who is in control.On the other hand both the police and other emergency services are subject to unpardonable aggression at times, with for example les pompiers having stones thrown at them while they are dealing with injuries.PS Glad you picked up voyoucratie Chancer. I thought of you when I read it [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I will take that as a compliment quand même [;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 As it is inexcusable, and completely unacceptable. My rabid right wing part of me says that anyone who in anyway attacks the pompiers or ambulence people going about their business should automatically be put in the stocks for a week. Not negociable. It would probably happen to a few, but it would stop. The police, well, that is rather a different problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 Well it has been a busy weekend down here.Two of the people shot by the neighbour have diedhttp://www.midilibre.fr/2012/12/01/coup-de-folie-a-sete-un-mort-six-armes-chez-lui,604155.phpA doorman at a nightclub in the Grau-du-Roi was shot dead in the nighthttp://www.midilibre.fr/2012/12/02/dma-il-est-abattu-sur-le-parking-d-une-discotheque-ce-matin,604434.phpand a man died after being wounded in a knife-crime incident at a birthday celebration in Sauvehttp://www.midilibre.fr/2012/12/02/dma-un-homme-poignarde-est-decede-de-ses-blessures-ce-matin,604452.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 There are lots of little laws in France, which concern noise, maybe because so many people live in appts. ie Dogs not allowed to bark unless there is an infraction. No noise after 22h or before 7am during the week, and 8am until 20h on a weekend; and the hours are more limited for using tools, and general DIY sort of noises.It actually didn't take us that long to appreciate this. IF there was to be a party, then, the Mairie may have been informed, OR at least all the neighbours. And it isn't as if no body knows about this, these are very basic general rules in France, that everyone will have been brought up with. I could well imagine that if this man had noisy neighbours then he could have been simply pushed too far. So, do we know, was this party a one off, or shooting his neighbours was a desparate man cracking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 [quote user="idun"]So, do we know, was this party a one off, or shooting his neighbours was a desparate man cracking?[/quote]Doesnt sound like they will be having another one anytime soon [6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 It was apparently a one-off, and he was on anti-depressants..On the other hand he had asked them to quieten down and they hadn't.He injured 4 out of 7, two of whom have since died. The 7th was a 3 yr old who was asleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5-element Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Thank you for posting this Norman. I was pondering on that very topic (violence in our departement) after glancing through Midi-Libre too. (I notice you didn't mention the lesser story of an 8-month pregnant woman who, on being asked to park her car elsewhere, ran the policeman over. In spite of being hit, he was not badly injured, and tried to pull her out of the car, then she lashed out and clawed him.)As for the man who shot his neighbours, I found that I could put myself in his place: It's 1h30 in the morning, you are supposed to get up at 4 to go to work, and you can't sleep because of the neighbours' ramdam. You get up and ask them to tone it down, and they don't. What would I do? Well, I wouldn't go and shoot them (although I might feel like it, especially if they have an attitude) because I am not a firearms instructor at the local club. But truly, what could I do? Mind you, he didn't have to shoot to kill, he could just have kneecapped them, since he was a seasoned shooter.Now, all these lives, wasted. I don't know if it is a true increase in violence, or if we are better informed, or if we are paying more attention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulT Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Perhaps there is more history. Were they the neighbours from hell, the ones who the police avoid unless they are mob handed. Do they, or is that did they, intimidate people in the areas and act without any concern for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 May I recommend a move to Peckham? According to the offspring who lives there, it's relatively quiet these days. Indeed, the only person who has seemed to feel threatened there in the last few years is that stupid Harman woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5-element Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Well I did live in Peckham, very fleetingly. In spite of its reputation, it never seemed worse than anywhere else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted December 3, 2012 Author Share Posted December 3, 2012 I don't think that estate agents market Peckham as the 'real London' or the 'undiscovered South' We in the Languedoc are thus misrepresented [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5-element Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Indeed we are, Norman. I think perhaps you and I should get together to write a candid piece about "le Languedoc pur et dur".[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote user="NormanH"]I don't think that estate agents market Peckham as the 'real London' or the 'undiscovered South' We in the Languedoc are thus misrepresented [:)][/quote]No, they market Peckham as "Camberwell" or "East Dulwich" - where they think they can get away with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Don't know if anyone saw this but it could be an answer to anti-social neighbours.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2242683/Amsterdam-tables-plan-rehouse-anti-social-neighbours-scum-villages-constant-police-watch.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 They have already done that here, and I'm living in the middle of one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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