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PaulT Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I suppose that if you are punishing someones family because of their actions on the basis 'they must have known'. So when someone is convicted of paedophilia then their family should also be sent to prison because 'the must have known'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I refrained from participating on this forum quite some years back: mainly since I was increasingly exercised at being called a racist etc by the clique of Liberal-Left myopic and blinkered "Rose Coloured Glasses" regime.I repeatedly suggested European society would rue the day it allowed itself to accept the insanity of uncontrolled and mass immigration and the ideological concept of multiculturalism which politicians and Left-Liberal ideologues supported and encouraged: the very worst aspect being the failure to demand incomers adopted their host society's social mores and culture.I additionally suggested that bending the knee to Islam and the laws of Islam would ensure we all paid a salutary price.Now we see and experience the results of this mad attempt to create a utopian existence, which has, like ashes in the mouth, turned out to be dystopian!The Islamic murdering scum who killed an innocent Catholic priest in France, were followers of the Salafist sect, a break-away group of mainstream Sunni islam and much akin to the Wahabist sect.Wahabism has its roots in Saudi Arabia and both the Wahabis and Salafists stand for the return of Islam to absolute fundamentalism, which includes Jihad and killing of apostates and Kafirs who do not accept "The one true faith".Salafism:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movementWhat is surreal about this heinous slaying is the singular fact, the assassins were both active worshipers at a nearby (One block from the church) mosque, built on land donated, free, by Father Hamal's own parish! No doubt in the cause of promoting interfaith unity..."Islamist Maxime Hauchard, who joined the Islamic State in Syria in August 2013. Hauchard’s name appears on the black list of most wanted terrorists by the U.S. State Department.Hauchard, who also frequented the mosque of Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray, appeared in a 2014 video of the beheading of American aid worker Peter Kassig and 18 Syrian military captives."The core problem civilised honest people face is their politicians have utterly failed them. Worse still, having "sold" their spavined ideological vision of open borders, free movement of people and multiculturalism (as well as numerous other "Pups"!), they cannot demonstrate sufficient moral compass, integrity and honesty to admit "We were wrong! We wholly mismanaged this; mia culpa. So sorry!" And thereafter take active steps to resolve the multiple problems and human disasters they themselves have created.Plus ça change, plus c'est la même choseHowever, instead of just saying "Sorry!", they are now increasingly attacking those who rationally question what is happening, by bringing in legislation which forbids negative comment or critique! Shades of Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia.Just this afternoon, Mad Mutti Merkel has insisted Germany's immigration plans will proceed as before! Neatly ignoring the incumbent realities: over 75% of the incomers are functionally illiterate. Few have been thus far employed since they are unemployable. The cost of bringing their health up to a minimum standard has been carefully estimated by German health authorities in the multi-billions, Per year!The alcoholic lunatic Junkers insists both free movement of people and Schengen will persist. Now how does this clown think Jihadists have been and are smuggling in large quantities of military-level arms and explosives? Alright for him, of course, with an armoured car and chauffeur and 24/7 armed security guards.Of course voters are turning and will increasingly turn towards Marine Le Pen, UKIP, Gert Wilders, Germany's AfD, et al.Even Roy Hattersley, one of the primary architects and cheerleaders for and of multiculturalism admitted "We were wrong!". Brownie points for Wroy.Any numbskull with half a brain-cell, surely, could have evaluated cosmopolitan society such as New York and quickly realised people tend to polarise within cultural groups with which they identify.In relative terms of modern sociology, they self-create, Ghettos since trying to integrate amongst a majority sharing the host's language and historical heritage, threatens their lives and survival and they are uncomfortable. They abhor integration.IT IS NOT "Racist" to become exercised over a religion which demands disparate modes of behaviour and standards: it is NOT racist to question how any socio-economy can accommodate the instant absorption of n hundred thousandincomers without adding extra strains upon its infrastructure,housing, social provisions (Health, Education, etc), transport systems etc.It is called Pragmatism or Realism.One aspect Westerners raised on a diet of social, legal and national Christian-Judaic heritage cannot grasp, is the insidious nature of Islam; the mythical concept of "The nice Muslim family up the road" lulls people into a false sense of security.If push comes to shove and fearing for their future, even non-fundamentalists will be persuaded to side with their religious cause, rather than stand against it and suffer persecution and even injury or death: and here is the core problem.Islam is precisely identical to say, the Mafia and the IRA; "Once in, never out!". In reality, it is a cult, no different to the Moonies or the Davidians, which aims at brainwashing simple-minded souls lacking discernment and discretion. (Study Iran post the Ayatollah's revolution and even still now).Many previous Muslims who converted to Christianity, for example (Northern England particularly) have suffered dreadfully for daring to turn their back on "The one true faith"; even being murdered.The nice Muslim corner shop keeper in Glasgow, for example; his "Offence" against the one true God, was to be brutally stabbed and killed. despite his absolute to worship in whatever manner he saw fit. However, for Islam, he was apostate.Pardon me? Under British law, the man could worship the Islamic Great Pumpkin in the Sky, if that was his own fervent desire.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-w est-35976958How could any compassionate human being, accept, or condone this sort of behaviour in the name of "religion"?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/27/wels h-schoolgirl-was-kept-prisoner-in-a-cage-starve d-and-abused/FGM; Honour killings; the list goes on...You will not read most facts and searching analysis in mainstream supposed "News" media, since these sources are either horrendously biased (BBC, Guardian, Independent, ITV, Channel 4, most French TV stations etc). They sycophantically support the elitist political system, which itself is in thrall to globalisation, slave labour and Big Capital, represented by such as Goldman Sachs et al.What, perhaps, amuses me most about the Lefty-Liberal mindset,is their simultaneous fervent support of feminism and Muslim women's "right" to insist upon wearing Hibab and/or Burqa. When in truth, there is no Hadith or tenet of Quran which demands women are so attired and the reality is they adopt this mode of sartorial eccentricity purely and simply on cultural grounds, since women are third class citizens subjugated by men suffering from extreme male chauvinism.Yet, the Bleeding Heart Do Gooder Liberal Luvvies insists proscription of such dress, is "Religious persecution"! Furthermore, Islam is not " A Race"; it's a religion, perhaps, if one might honestly describe a cult which brainwashes adherants as "Religion",Wake up and have a "Smell The Coffee" moment, before all you hold dear and have strived for and the World you bequeath to your children and grandchildren is a dystopian nightmare of blood, war and subjugation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessie Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Three cheers.Handclaps x 100Bravo, bravo, bravo At last; someone with more intelligence than me, more erudition, more learning - but able to articulate exactly what I've tried to say - and been called 'rascist'.Now I don't feel as though I've been whistling in the wind. Well done - excellent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Welcome back Gluestick! You have shown remarkable restraint keeping your peace all this time. I came within a hairsbreadth of starting a serious Relationship with une Musulmane recently, my heart and body was shouting at me to go ahead but my sixth sense was telling me to be wary, I felt she wasn't being 100% honest with me and my gut feeling was correct as her so called "ex" didn't see himself that way and when he measured me for an orange boiler suit I knew it was time to implement an exit strategy. But how to do so with someone that was coming on stronger and stronger? I used a technique that has never failed in the past, I lent her some money and have not seen or heard from her since [:D][:P] The way things are going I think that it was again someone on high looking out for me, as intelligent, modern, enlightened and independant that she is when push comes to shove she would have to do as you say for the sake of her children, a few décades ago someone like her could have left say Tehran to live a decent existence in the UK or another european country whilst still following her religion, she like many others only dresses in the way she is supposed to when returning to her country, it wont be very long before all muslim women in Europe will be indistinguishable from their peers in the extreme countrys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulT Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Gluestick, a very interesting post - do post more often.I can always remember commenting to an Arab about the number of Arabs killed by Israelis and vice versa. Her comment was that the numbers were low compared to the number of Arabs killed by Arabs.But have we not seen one faith killing another faith closer to home - Northern Ireland.In the Arab world the ones that normally get quoted are the Shia and Sunni Muslims.Always thought that religion was about tolerance and understanding, shows how wrong you can be :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alittlebitfrench Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Fantastic post Gluestick. But, did we not (the British and the Americans) create Deash/ISIS ? I seem to remember that we disbanded Sadams Hussains vast Sunni national guard when we invaded Iraq thus allowing highly trained military personal to club together to create an army of death.So to be fair, this is all our own fault. Ok most were against the war but nevertheless we created this situation. We are to blame.So we either accept the consequences or do something radical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Always thought that religion was about tolerance and understanding, shows how wrong you can be :(In most cases, it still is, or at least was. But some religions have intolerance built into them, mainly caused by clerics own interpretation of the scriptures for their own ends ... cf the Spanish Inquisition, the Cathars, etc from history. I make no mention of Islam, as I have not studied it like others on this forum, but that too has intolerance (ie the equivalent of the historical Christian approach "must convert the heathen",) built into I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessie Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Isn't the difference, though, that the Bible has been modified, revised and it's followers grown up; moved on from the medieval times to a mature tolerance and understanding of other faiths. The intolerance built into the Koran has not been changed, it has not had the Enlightenment, or anything; it is stuck in the 6th century - and will not be changed, it cannot be changed - and there is the problem.And reference to the 'troubles' in Ireland - that was surely more to do about 'uniting' Ireland - that the English should never have been in Northern Ireland, and the southern Irish wanted a reunited country. Historically yes the Irish were Catholic, and the Northern Irish Protestant (because of English and Scottish settlers) - but the Irish wanted 'one country'....As for Saddam - we should never have interfered; but he wasn't going to be around for ever was he ? Why try to blame the west for what's written in the Koran ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 There are many interpretations of the Koran which we would call progressive but mainly I suspect because of fear of Western culture (eg Baywatch), there has been a growth in extreme interpretations, such as that women should be completely covered, etc.Look at the Islam of Tunisia before the attempted takeover by the extremists; amongst the educated, women and men were on a very equal footing, most silly rules had fallen into abeyance or had been seen for what they were which is bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessie Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 This is heavy going - but an interesting article from New York Times.http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/22/world/europe/how-the-saudis-turned-kosovo-into-fertile-ground-for-isis.html?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted July 29, 2016 Author Share Posted July 29, 2016 [quote user="chessie"]Isn't the difference, though, that the Bible has been modified, revised and it's followers grown up; moved on from the medieval times to a mature tolerance and understanding of other faiths. The intolerance built into the Koran has not been changed, it has not had the Enlightenment, or anything; it is stuck in the 6th century - and will not be changed, it cannot be changed - and there is the problem.[/quote]Well, Chessie, when I spoke to my OH about the beheadings, cutting off of hands, stoning to death, etc and how these actions are barbaric and from "the middle ages", he pointed out that yes, Islam was founded in the 7th century AD and so, if we deducted, 600 odd years from our time now, then indeed these folk ARE acting like us "Christians" would have done in the middle ages. So he would be entirely in agreement with your point.Incidentally, he HAS studied the koran in some depth and he tells me that everything being done now is indeed "all there", the establishment of a caliphate, the intolerance of everyone else's faith, etc.Fundamentalist Christians are just as frightening but I don't think they have the same vast numbers of followers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbie Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Following complaints from several forum members I have removed the content from two posts in this thread because they used inappropriate language and appeared to be in breach of the Terms and Conditions which everyone agreed to when joining the forum. This action was taken after discussion with my fellow mods and the Forum Admin. I have no wish to stifle free speech and I would hope this debate can be continued in a reasonable way without anyone resorting to personal abuse. I am aware that people are understandably disturbed by the recent violent incidents and that different people have different ideas on how to deal with this. Please let's all of us continue this discussion in a civilised way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patf Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Yes - very good post Gluestick.All I want to add is that there aren't many religions that are about tolerance and understanding. Most are about rules for living life.But not many preach hate and killing nonconformists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 In the cause of time, rather than revert to all of your posts, people, I will do this in once, if you don't mind.Chessie: many thanks for your kind words; much appreciated.Chancer: I must remember that ploy!Very trite. I like it!I am friendly with a charming Iraqi lady for whom I have acted, professionally.She wears normal Western clothes and recently even informed me she has stopped attending her local Mosque as the Imam speaks nonsense.Which, perhaps, tells us something.PaulT: Thank you, I shall!Interestingly, I spent considerable time in Southern Ireland in the late 1970s and early 80s working as a consultant on a major agri-industry project. The CEO of the client was a most charming man and deeply insightful and self-educated. I learned much about "The troubles" (Or, as they would say,"The Thrubles!").Whilst Julius Caesar tried, vainfully to conquer Ireland he gave up and wrote something along the lines "I would sooner try and tame the waves of the sea, as conquer this strange and warlike race!"Ireland had a rich cultural heritage of language, literature and culture, despite their warlike propensity.The English, acted despicably towards Ireland and the Irish people. Absentee landlords (invariably titled English aristocrats) treated the Irish as serfs had been treated in medieval times, keeping the peasants in total subjugation and on the edge of starvation, by charging extortionate rents for very poor land.Traditionally, the Irish were Catholic and the Protestants, imported to work in Belfast etc, were mainly poor illiterates from the slums of Glasgow etc. Catholics were excluded from reasonable employment, purposively.Perfidious Albion indeed.To understand more of Ireland's troubled past, an excellent work is the late Leon Uris's book "Trinity". He visited Ireland with his wife, a professional photographer and was outraged at what he discovered which led to the book. A novel but based on factual history.The English factory, mill and shipyard owners, created the internecine Catholic-Prod troubles, purposely. In no way can the fight for freedom by the Irish honestly be called a battle "in the name of religion": in precisely the same modality as Islam, the excuse of "religion" clothes a more insidious selfish purpose.The problem with religion, or faith, is men interfere and warp these to their own narrow self-interested purpose.True faith is most assuredly about tolerance and understanding.alittlebitfrench: The root of most of the instability and war in the Mid-Orient (to give wat we popularly call the Middle East its correct name) lies in World War One and thereafter. One of my favourite research and reference books on this is by Margaret Macmillan:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacemakers:_The_ Paris_Peace_Conference_of_1919_and_Its_Attempt_ to_End_WarTo further complicate matters, from the late 1940s onwards Soviet Russia set out to cause chaos and confusion as part of the geo-global strategy of destabilisation. Remember, Egypt, Syria and others were Soviet "Client States".The USA further destabilised the region when CIA fomented a rebellion and bloodless coup in Iran, by toppling the moderate and democratically elected PM, Mossadegh, and foisting the pretender Shah onto the peacock Throne in the early 1950s.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_the_Shah%27s_ MenAmericans love "Democracy", when it suits them! Dubya used to bang on about it all the time: all provided he had managed to boost his puppet into the hot seat...The core problem has been OIL. In order to keep the artificially constructed US economy "growing", it just be remembered it is a Banking-Industrial- Military Complex and this needs vast quantities of oil and gas.The US and UK invading a sovereign third party state was an illegal act. Behind this was Cheney's, Rumsfield and Papa Bush's (all oil and gas industry men) determination to seize Iraqi oil assets. Indeed, the US Treasury and State Department had calculated (Wrongly!) that the cost of the war could be self-funded from crude oil liftings. Would you believe Bush Jnr had already let contracts to Haliburton and Bechtel Corp (Largest civil engineers in the World) PRIOR to seeking the permission of Congress and the Senate to actually go to war?An excellent analysis:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Trillio n_Dollar_WarJoe Stiglitz is perhaps the smartest economist alive today and one of my personal heroes.Thus in short, there where and are many disparate drivers to Fundamentalist Islam's insanity. and I must agree with you, the West is mainly to blame.It was lovely when British, French, US, German arms companies were coining zillions in fat profits, arming lunatics who had lucked into lakes of oil and gas under their desert sands.It is not so much fun now...Judith: Spot On.The European medieval church was equally culpable since it was intensely political and venal.chessie: The bible hasn't actually been revised, the core text being, of course the King James authorised version, prepared over many diligent years by eminent leading scholars able to read fluently, Attic Greek, Aramaic, ancient Hebrew and Latin The New Testament and Christ's ministry were a New Deal. Love and forgiveness instead of the original Jewish law. Wildly different.Yes indeed: Islam is as you say" Stuck in the sixth century". The words of The Prophet, are considered absolute and inviolate.Islam itself, has suffered more schisms even than Christianity! The core problem today, emanates from such as the Saudi Wahabism, sect.Again the dichotomy: the West (US particularly) are heavily dependant upon Saudi oil: yet it is the Saudi Wahabists who are, covertly, influencing global Islam by throwing their massive largesse into funding mosques and radicalism! Interesting tat just today, Manuel Valls, French PM has announced the French government are considering banning foreign funding of mosques..Wooly- My Old Mate![:D]Yes again. Afghanistan is an excellent exemplar. The West, US particularly, funded the Mujahadeen - the err, Freedom Fighters; who became Taliban when Russia did a Vietnam and left - arming them, funding them and training them. To fight "Soviet imperialism". (When the Soviets made the play, it was called "Imperialism: when the US and UK et al made the play it was called "Democracy!" Cynical Moi? You bet!Whereupon, the Taliban insisted women wore Chador, foreswore makeup, couldn't drive, attend school etc. Nice.My wife and I spent a very pleasant day on a large boat out of Corfu, years back, on a lovely trip to the Greek mainland, in the company of a charming Afghani couple. he and his family had fled Afghanistan and bomb burst into Canada, America and he himself, Germany. he spoke fluent English and was a Dr of Chemical Engineering. He explained all the educated achievers had left, leaving simply the illiterates who did precisely what the Imams told them was Quranic fact. Only problem being the Imams were illiterates, mainly.Mint: main difference, surely, is fundamentalist Christians tend to stick to foaming at the mouth and preaching Hell and Fire and Brimstone, rather than blowing people up, shooting up nightclubs, beheading etc? OK; some might occasionally have fire-bombed abortion clinics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Watch and listen to this.Then the problems become much clearer.Note how the the terms "Racist" is used at every opportunity, despite the clear reality the copper's behaviour and attitude could not in any way be so described...http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/29/video-allah-akbar-preacher-charged-after-allegedly-insulting-woman-in-tight-jeans/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Gluestick, thank you for your comprehensive, well reasoned, and infomative post. Just what this discussion needs. And thank you for your compliment - the study of history is an ignored but vital part of knowing how we got to where we are today, and you ignore it at your peril. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 [quote user="Judith"]Gluestick, thank you for your comprehensive, well reasoned, and infomative post. Just what this discussion needs. And thank you for your compliment [/quote]My pleasure. [:)][quote]...the study of history is an ignored but vital part of knowing how we got to where we are today, and you ignore it at your peril.[/quote]I couldn't agree more, Judith!I forget who wrote this, it is a favourite profound aphorism of mine." In order to understand the present and predict the future, we must firstly understand and study the past!"Perhaps, politicians are amongst the worst for this: with so-called journalists a close second.Much of what I have been involved in, professionally for many years, has been in identifying trends; and building analyses for forward strategy. In order to do this, of course, one firstly needs to examine and evaluate the past...“When the situation was manageable it was neglected, and now that it is thoroughly out of hand we apply too late the remedies which then might have effected a cure. There is nothing new in the story. It is as old as the sibylline books. It falls into that long, dismal catalogue of the fruitlessness of experience and the confirmed unteachability of mankind. Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong–these are the features which constitute the endless repetition of history.”W.Spencer Churchill(House of Commons, 2 May 1935, after the Stresa Conference, in which Britain, France and Italy agreed—futilely—to maintain the independence of Austria.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted July 30, 2016 Author Share Posted July 30, 2016 Gluey, you mean it's better to have fire prevention measures in place than to fight the fire after it becomes an inferno?[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Would that any of us could do as Churchill so wisely said. In my life I am too often confronted with situations that could be addressed and hopefully sorted out, OR left to sort themselves out.I have tried both, and ended up with worse situations than I suspected I would see. And back to Mr Churchill, because re all these modern day problems in the middle east............ he was more than a little involved in the mapping, nay, carving up of these countries in the 1920's. In fact he was involved one way or another, in some very very bad things throughout his life, and for my grandmother even the war never redeemed him in her eyes, she born in 1879 and he in 1874. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 [quote user="mint"]Gluey, you mean it's better to have fire prevention measures in place than to fight the fire after it becomes an inferno?[:)][/quote]Indeed I do, mint!One of the core reasons why Britain and France are in such a mess, is professional politicians, are meant - we hoped - to be managing their countries. I wish!Trend Analysis simply means predicting the short-term and long term future from empirical evidence (what has already happened perhaps more than once) and the extrapolation of future probability.Whereas most failed businesses are so poorly managed their supposed executives are far too busy firefighting the problems they themselves created yesterday!What If? modelling (scenarios) provides management tools well before they are needed, on a contingency basis.Similarly to these poor executives, since the mid-1950s, far too many career politicians, are mainly spending their time spouting endless words to try and justify their own incompetence and lack of core focus; and finding "solutions" for the problems they themselves created.Whilst the World around them goes to Hell in a hand basket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Not quite correct, idun.If you read Margaret MacMillan's epic work I recommended, earlier (Peacemakers: The Paris Peace Conference), then it is easy to understand how and why the utter shambolic mess post WWI came about and also how WWII was created and caused. Mainly by the French President Clemanceau's insane demand and obdurate insistence of hugely excessive (And unaffordable) reparations from Germany.You can also lay blame at the doors of David Lloyd George and Lord Curzon: additionally, Woodrow Wilson was more interested in his ideological concept of the League of Nations and hardly ever participated in this critical conference.n.b."Margaret Olwen MacMillan, CC (born 23 December 1943) is a Canadian historian and professor at the University of Oxford, where she is Warden of St Antony's College. She is former provost of Trinity College and professor of history at the University of Toronto and previously at Ryerson University. A leading expert on history and international relations, MacMillan is a commentator in the media. She is a great-granddaughter of former British Prime Minister David Lloyd George."Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_MacMillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulT Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Gluestick, is one of the problems with most politicians is that as Robin Day put it to John Nott that he was 'an here today and gone tomorrow politician'. So they try to give away goodies that cannot be afforded so they are well thought of and leave it to the next lot to pick up the pieces whilst they take up well paid directorships and consultancies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbie Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 For any democratic politician there is always the temptation to do what is popular rather than what is right. Politicians are only human and are likely to have at least one eye on the next election so this is understandable but does not lead to good government. It has been said we get the government we deserve and there is an element of truth in this.This inevitably leads to politicians taking a very short term view and putting too much importance on the views expressed in the media. With an issue such as terrorism I feel that if we are going to solve the problem we need to tackle the reasons that drive people to become extremists. To take a lesson from a century ago in Ireland the British response to the Easter Rebellion was counter-productive. Lets not make the same mistakes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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