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Another François at the Elysée?


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He hasn't won the

candidacy yet as there is a second round, although it looks very

possible.

His economic programme would  be an easy target

for LePen whose own is much more to the taste of 'the people'.

Unpopular measures

that he proposes that she will exploit the opposition to:

augmenter la TVA de

2 points

supprimer l'ISF

100 milliards

d'euros d'économies dans la sphère publique

Il faudra que les

fonctionnaires reviennent aux 39 heures

20 % des économies

proviendront des collectivités locales.

les administrations

de sécurité sociale devront porter la moitié des économies, soit

50 milliards d'euros

Le passage de l'âge

de la retraite à 65 ans rapportera 20 milliards sur 5 ans

la carte hospitalière sera réformée, ce qui économisera

20 milliards

les allocations

chômage seront plafonnées et dégressives

https://www.fillon2017.fr/participez/

On the other hand the FN proposes a much more 'socialist' economic programme.

 Never

for get that  a certain party in Germany gained power by exactly

the combination of Socialism and nationalism that the FN proposes.

That is where the name National Socialism came from.

Too

many people forget that FN is a long way to the left of Fillon on

economic matters, and so  it  appeal to all those seen out on the streets in support of their jobs- the same people who were traditionally drawn to Unions and the CP.

This is where LePen will attack Fillon if he is candidate.

My objection to him comes from his

Catholic fundamentalist social attitudes.

The former French prime minister François Fillon,

a socially conservative, free-market reformer who admires Margaret

Thatcher and voted against same-sex marriage, has topped the first round

of the primary race to choose the right’s candidate for the presidency

next spring.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/20/nicolas-sarkozy-defeated-primary-french-rightwing-presidential

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NOT that there's anything remotely scientific about it, but I looked at a le Figaro poll this morning asking if people were satisfied with the results of the first primary of the centre right and it was oui 80% and non 20%

Must surely point to Fillon being the successful nominee?

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Yes among the voters for the Primaires. He has a good chance of being elected as the candidate.

But as I said the problem will come if he comes up against LePen in the second round of the actual Présidentielles...

His economic programme means he is seen as a

'French Thatcher', and if he is up against Le Pen in the final round she

is likely to get the votes of many of the people who would previously

voted for the left, in a repetition of the pro-Brexit and Pro-Trump

voting pattern.

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[quote user="NormanH"]Yes among the voters for the Primaires. He has a good chance of being elected as the candidate.

But as I said the problem will come if he comes up against LePen in the second round of the actual Présidentielles...

His economic programme means he is seen as a

'French Thatcher', and if he is up against Le Pen in the final round she

is likely to get the votes of many of the people who would previously

That accounts for the British media saying that FN supporters didn't want Sarkozy because his policies were close to FN policies and people would be more likely to vote for him and not Le Pen in the second round. Therefore they voted to ensure another candidate won.

voted for the left, in a repetition of the pro-Brexit and Pro-Trump

voting pattern.

[/quote]
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Though he may be old fashioned in some social areas and close to the Catholic Right, Fillon presses a lot of other positive buttons, particularly in wanting to reduce the French State and try to reduce taxes.

Not sure whether many LePen supporters voted for him to get rid of Sarkozy as his star has been rising quietly for quite a time. He does not have a criminal record or court hearings hanging over him, which is a breath of fresh air in French politics, though he does come from the same grande ecole stable as most of the top politicians.

If he does beat Juppe next weekend then he will have to harden up to beat LePen, though the Left seem far too disunited to come together behind any single candidate.

Even Hollande seems to be thinking of running now. I wonder if he will take his hairdresser with him on campaign or whether the party will have to pay the 10000 euros a month he costs!
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Got the shakes, Norman?

Well, many LePen supporters are the squeezed lower half of the income range who may not have decent employment. Fillon has to appeal to them, quite right.

Of course, the Brexit type, xenophobis racists will always vote for LePen whatever happens.

By the way, Norman, what is the French equivalent of White Van Man?
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NB I feel I shall have to find a word for remainers, that is equally as insulting and disturbing as being constantly accused of racism and being stupid. My hate and loathing for the EU has been for many years, seeing it's actions, it's wasting money and  the federalism it has started without consultation. 

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Idun...

As my dad used to say, 'Ignore them, they are not of our class'.

It is Ok for some members to yap on about French politics so far as what they have read in the paper but it is completely irrelevant what they say if you they understand the social economics of day to day France. Got a feeling Idun does.

To be fair most French politicians have not got a clue about France either.

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[quote user="woolybanana"] Of course, the Brexit type, xenophobis racists will always vote for LePen whatever happens. By the way, Norman, what is the French equivalent of White Van Man?[/quote]

 

That comment is not worthy of you, its is that of a sore loser who does not accept democracy, what good does repeated insults like the above do?

 

Take out the first two italicised words and I dont have a problem.

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[quote user="idun"]NB I feel I shall have to find a word for remainers, that is equally as insulting and disturbing as being constantly accused of racism and being stupid. My hate and loathing for the EU has been for many years, seeing it's actions, it's wasting money and  the federalism it has started without consultation. 

[/quote]

Oh I've heard quite a few since the referendum..Remoaner, traitor, snowflake..to name three, although I rather like the third one.. oh and 'liberal elite' whatever that is supposed to mean, as that seems to be banded around as a form of insult.

I think it's a shame that the EU referendum debate got hijacked by the right, some of whom did resort to racist propaganda, and have since tried to take that forward and hijack the subsequent debate into a 'hard brexit' discussion.

This was carried on by Trump and it worked very well for him.. and now the hope is to carry it on for MLP. I think a lot can happen between now and the election so who knows. I do think that the latest events have confirmed that opinion polls are completely unreliable now. They seem to be asking the wrong people the wrong questions. That could go either way for MLP. The polls are all saying she will make it to the second round. They could be wrong on that as well.
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The problem with polls today Lindal is that no one will admit openly to what they actually think or how they will vote.

People want change. In that respect France has two choices, Macron or MLP. Someone from centre left could vote for MLP or someone from the right could vote Macron.

People what change, their individual political orientation has today become irrelevant.
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You are right, of course, all of you, I should stop the name calling, but I happened to be on a rare UK visit at the time of the vote and was struck by the racist, xenophobic sentiments expressed by people, even amongst well educated members of my family. Having been brought up on South Africa, I was perhaps more struck than some by what was underlying such sentiments as 'they take our jobs', and to be honest I was shocked.

There was NO intellectual and rationale debate about leaving the EU, just nonsense, which was shameful.

And, of course, LePen voters would be voting for a party which is anti-foreigner and pro Frexit, in theory at any rate. They express it rather doifferently when asked: 'It is not you we want to get rid of but the others'. Work it out for yourselves.

Chancer, the democratic process allowed both Hitler and Trump to get into power, though whether the former had a majority of the popular vote or not, I am not sure. Certainly Trump didnt.

Democracy as we have it does not always give the 'right result', only an approximation of something like it which can be contadictory
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[quote user="alittlebitfrench"]Idun...

As my dad used to say, 'Ignore them, they are not of our class'.[/quote]

CLASS?  Do people really still use words like that in these times of equality?[:P]

My word, I don't believe that I have had occasion to use "class" since I gave up my French CLASS 2 years ago and have not found a suitable one since.

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For those interested, the debate between Fillon and Juppé is at 21.00 hrs tomorrow.

Don't really like these TV debates but I shall look in, just to get the "feel" of how they handle themselves, how they sound and if they appear to be suitably "presidential".............[:D]

Shallow, moi? Well, I never claimed to be profound or indeed to know much about these things, OK?[:P]

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