cajal Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 What are his chances of being able to duck this issue? (Fr) (En) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Thing is, who will be surprised by this....... isn't this pretty normal.We had friends, sadly they are no longer, who worked at a main french ministry, and the ministers were given cash, huge amounts of cash, I believe every year, and they would distribute it, as they saw fit. And a few days ago, it was on french news all about someone, yet another of these politicians, who were being accused of having such funds, which meant that he had, literally cash in hand, if memory serves, 10k€ a month that he declared to no one. Someone authorises these amounts and dishes them out, why are they not in the dock.The system is very very strange, and I do not know if such a system exists in other countries, and may never.I reckon that story about this politician the other day would have shocked me rigid if I hadn't known that it was all simply french traditional politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Thus far he seems to have done nothing wrong, though the later amounts do seem a little high. It is apparently quite permitted within the FRench system and is governed by a setz of clear rules.73 deputies employ family members in this way.One wonders if this is not part of a concerted effort to smear Fillon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 It is legal to emploi his wife: the problem is that she is alleged to have done no work.This constitutes an emploi fictif punishable by prisonhttp://www.francesoir.fr/politique-france/emplois-fictifs-d%C3%A9finition-quelle-peine-encourue-risques-penelope-fillon-fran%C3%A7ois-loi-droit-jurisprudence-thierry-vallat-avocatOf course he is far from the only French politician to be accused of this, but he has built a reputation for being 'clean' as opposed to Sarkozy, and given his programme of cuts and austerity for everyone else the scale of the payments (9000€ a month) and the hypocrisy risk damaging him.There is speculation as to the source of the leaks.Both Hollande and Sarkozy who hasn't forgiven what his PM for beating him have axes to grind.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Yes, agreed, Norman.I notice that three serving ministers including the present PM are being investigated for misuse of funds.Does it never stop!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cajal Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 [quote user="NormanH"]It is legal to emploi his wife: the problem is that she is alleged to have done no work.This constitutes an emploi fictif punishable by prison[/quote]I doubt anyone will question the legality of this arrangement. However, a remark his wife made during the primaries that "I do not get involved in my husbands political affairs" could certainly have a ring of truth about it.Anway, I await the outcome of the state prosecutors investigation.€500,000 for coasting......nice work if you can get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Now, who might be behind this: Sarkozy getting revenge, Hollande the same or trying to clear ground for Macon?So much hate, they will do anything to sabotage each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew44 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Russian hackers ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Ooops, Macron is in the line of fire now, supposedly for using money from the ministry for his political party.I almost would prefer it to be hackers, rather than this traditional French way of politicians hacking at each other with blunt swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonzjob Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Good grief! I just hope that SWMBO doesn't hear about it!I could only afford to pay her 1/2 that amount [:-))] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 A reasonable summary of how it is playing out:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/27/penelope-gate-casts-dark-shadow-over-fillons-presidential-prospects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I had forgotten Ms Rachida Dati who was rejected for a nice Paris constituency in the upcoming election by Fillon and who has been breathing fire ever since.She used to be Minister of Justice under Sarkozy and would have been well placed to get the low down on Fillon's employment pending. And to do this dirty work for Sarkozy.In fact she hinted at it in various tweets a couple of years ago.Hell, as they say. hath no fury, like a Dati scorned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 This has opened a can of worms..http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2017/01/27/francois-fillon-un-depute-pas-tres-assidu_5070001_4355770.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoddy Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Thank you for a very interesting link Norman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 A fun one that might only open if you are on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/konbinifr/videos/10155083607279276/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cajal Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 [quote user="NormanH"]This has opened a can of worms..http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2017/01/27/francois-fillon-un-depute-pas-tres-assidu_5070001_4355770.html[/quote]Just another politician who 'extracts the urine.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 And who hides behind a façade:http://srv497.fr.nf/dix-choses-prouvent-francois-fillon-pire-nicolas-sarkozy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Hasn't he now said that he will resign his candidacy if the enquiry found him to be guilty of any misdeeds?Though I also heard that the enquiry would take a few months![:-))] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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