NormanH Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 In next year's Presidential election.He has a clear majority in the second round of the 'primaires' by which the party has invited those who share it's values to vote on who they want as candidate.It was an experiment, but has had great success in attracting interest in a process which has been losing popular support throughout Europe, that of political elections.http://www.lemonde.fr/primaire-parti-socialiste/live/2011/10/16/en-direct-le-second-tour-de-la-primaire-ps_1588147_1471072.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I don't like Jacques Delors daughter, so am not sorry that Hollande is going to be the candidate. Still where is Marine in the polls? I just hope that it isn't going to end up as a few years ago when Jospin was knocked out at the first tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Coincidentally, I was only talking about him with a man I met last Tuesday at a workshop/seminar morning after a video showed Hollande but I didn't really understand about these primaires.I suppose he is the "acceptable face" of the socialists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Well, I rather suspect that this method may help keep the extremists at bay. But the showing of unity may be false as I imagine the M Aubrey is busy throwing her toys outof the pram and working out how she can scupper Mr Dutch. In her heart she must be glad.In the context of UK, it would keep the Unions' hands off the Labour party too which would be no bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 [quote user="woolybanana"]Well, I rather suspect that this method may help keep the extremists at bay. But the showing of unity may be false as I imagine the M Aubrey is busy throwing her toys outof the pram and working out how she can scupper Mr Dutch. In her heart she must be glad.In the context of UK, it would keep the Unions' hands off the Labour party too which would be no bad thing.[/quote]Are we talking about the same martine!Aubry reconnaît la victoire de Hollande Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 That doesn't mean a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 [quote user="woolybanana"]That doesn't mean a thing![/quote]No it was a coded message that persons who spout authoritively about politicos should at least ascertain their names.[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Silly person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 An excellent article in yesterday's Observer:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/16/young-socialists-back-francois-hollandeI must say that I thought it was very creative to enfranchise groups who normally get ignored, at least in the selection process for the candidates. It did gain the party one more member at least.[Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 The cynic in me says that at one Euro per vote its a win win situation for the socialists, even the right wing supporters paid to vote and swear allegiance to the socialist party in order to bump Martine Aubry.I bet they were really peeved that they could not have had the whole thing as a reality TV contest with phone in voting on premium rate lines, mind you the winning candidate would probably be the blonde with large jugs who ***** another candidate on camera in the piscine.I reckon that Italy will be the first to follow that formula [;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Whatever the motivation, to get young people fired up about politics is a good thing in my book - left or right (even though my personal sympathies are with the former.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breizh Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I forget where I read it but it cost 4.5million to run the election, and they received 1million.The belief was that they wouldn't be doing it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Sounds like one of the most successfull ever French enterprises!!I thought that the turnout was higher than one million or perhaps I am getting confused with the audience for the TV debate, 6 million I seem to recall.Still when it comes to putting your money where your mouth is................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Realistically, it was the only way that the party could force the infighting to stop, by making the debate public. Otherwise there would have been the usual, much-loved cat fight and knifings in dark alleys which would not have endeared them to the public and might have allowed a weakened candidate to have emerged. Martine Aubry only just managed not to throw a bucket of cow manure at Hollande, as it was. She should now stand down as secretary of the party too and allow a new face to emerge, Manuel Valls for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 [quote user="cooperlola"]Whatever the motivation, to get young people fired up about politics is a good thing in my book - left or right (even though my personal sympathies are with the former.) [/quote]I don't follow French politics but I suspect there are as many dirty stories which, by agreement with the Press, are kept off any page as there are in UK politics. Have you asked any young people if they're interested in a bunch of greedy grasping leeches? I know what the answer is if you ask the question in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 [quote user="Benjamin"][quote user="cooperlola"]Whatever the motivation, to get young people fired up about politics is a good thing in my book - left or right (even though my personal sympathies are with the former.) [/quote]I don't follow French politics but I suspect there are as many dirty stories which, by agreement with the Press, are kept off any page as there are in UK politics. Have you asked any young people if they're interested in a bunch of greedy grasping leeches? I know what the answer is if you ask the question in England.[/quote]Well, you assume a great deal if you think that all politicians are corrupt. Those who get into the press probably are, but many work very hard and genuinely believe they can make a (positive) difference. You rather prove my point. The view which the press has given people of politics and politicians in recent years completely ignores the real service which many of them perform and the thankless job they do. To me, that's a really bad thing for any society because it prevents those who can make a real contribution from becoming involved. Happily at least those young men and women in the article are yet to be so cynical. Long may that continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breizh Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 [quote user="Benjamin"][quote user="cooperlola"]Whatever the motivation, to get young people fired up about politics is a good thing in my book - left or right (even though my personal sympathies are with the former.) [/quote]I don't follow French politics but I suspect there are as many dirty stories which, by agreement with the Press, are kept off any page as there are in UK politics. Have you asked any young people if they're interested in a bunch of greedy grasping leeches? I know what the answer is if you ask the question in England.[/quote]Multiply it by about 100, and you'll get close! The Govn subsidises the press what do you expect? The Editors went to the same Grandes Ecoles as the Ministers, what do you expect? The revolving door between Govn job and privat job, what do expect?However bad you think the situation is in the UK, you ain't seen nothin!Odd fact. The only truly independent (of the Govn) paper (Enchaine Canard) is the only one which makes a profit!Mitterand's parallel family, paid for by the Govn? Chirac's army of fictious employees? 300 Algerians killed in Paris by the police? No one ever knew in France.NB I like Hollande. He comes across as a good bureaucrat who will get things done without historonics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 [quote user="breizh"][quote user="Benjamin"][quote user="cooperlola"]Whatever the motivation, to get young people fired up about politics is a good thing in my book - left or right (even though my personal sympathies are with the former.) [/quote]I don't follow French politics but I suspect there are as many dirty stories which, by agreement with the Press, are kept off any page as there are in UK politics. Have you asked any young people if they're interested in a bunch of greedy grasping leeches? I know what the answer is if you ask the question in England.[/quote] Multiply it by about 100, and you'll get close! The Govn subsidises the press what do you expect? The Editors went to the same Grandes Ecoles as the Ministers, what do you expect? The revolving door between Govn job and privat job, what do expect? However bad you think the situation is in the UK, you ain't seen nothin! Odd fact. The only truly independent (of the Govn) paper (Enchaine Canard) is the only one which makes a profit! Mitterand's parallel family, paid for by the Govn? Chirac's army of fictious employees? 300 Algerians killed in Paris by the police? No one ever knew in France. NB I like Hollande. He comes across as a good bureaucrat who will get things done without historonics.[/quote]I think it's a pretty safe bet that DSK's exploits would have never seen the light of day if he hadn't tried his hand in the US.With the exception of one of two papers like Le Monde which are not widely read (I hardly ever see a national newspaper being read around here, for example), I get the distinct feeling that I learn more about French politics from the British media than what passes for journalism in these parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breizh Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Sorry for the rant. It is very difficult to comprehend the differences between the 2 countries when it comes to news media. The shock in France is when a scandel does surface in the media. That means the Elysee has given it the green light, or they quickly get an friendly examinating magistrate on the job, and get it sub judice for the next 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 [quote user="breizh"]Sorry for the rant. .[/quote]Why appologise? I must admit that I was much less aware of this before I moved than I have become since. In spite of more than 40 years of coming here and numerous French friends both here and in the UK, I was pretty naive about the way the media operates here and the extent of the corruption in some quarters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 [quote user="breizh"][quote user="Benjamin"][quote user="cooperlola"] [/quote][/quote] 300 Algerians killed in Paris by the police? No one ever knew in France. NB I like Hollande. He comes across as a good bureaucrat who will get things done without historonics.[/quote]Is it not the 50th anniversary of that today?By all accounts the people and the Paris authorities have recognised the event and pay homage to the dead but the government has never ever acknowledged it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 [quote user="woolybanana"]Silly person.[/quote]Sorry I'll make it simpler in future, so no need for Hut 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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