Cathar Tours Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 Your right in that Blair would not allow the vote and also he knew the answer was no but that was for the Treaty Establishing a Constitution of Europe. Some countries did have a referendum including France and The Netherlands which came out at around 68% against it.Fortunately the then EU got the message and scrapped this treaty because it knew it would never get people to agree to it.They went away and made amendments to the then Treaty of Rome and came out, after much negotiating amongst EU countries, with the Treaty of Lisbon which is an update to the Treaty of Rome. It actually made the EU more democratic because before you had votes based on the majority win where as the Treaty of Lisbon said it needed all countries to agree.Something else the Treaty of Lisbon added was Art. 50 which allowed, as you know, countries to leave the EU. Something that was not an option before.As Farage said at the time it should have been a 60/40 requirement for a win either way where as the result was pretty close and even he said it would cause problems. Probably the most intelligent thing he has ever said.Brexiteers should also remember that 16.14M people voted to remain. The behaviour of Brexiteers since has only cemented the resolve of those that voted remain to disrupt as much as possible leaving the EU. Going round saying "you lost get over it" is more like something a football yob would be expected to say. Rather than lead the Remainers with a carrot their attitude is to try and beat them into submission with a big stick which will one day come back and bite them on the bottom.People who voted to remain do accept the majority but what they don't accept is the method of withdrawal. Even the Brexit camp said they would expect a deal of some sort "because the EU needed the UK's money" (even that has since turned out not to be true, missed yes but got over the loss). Nobody ever on the Brexit side during the campaigning for the referendum said it would be a hard Brexit.Another thing I would agree with you and Woolly about was there were lies told and there was cheating but it was on both sides.I would like to see a second referendum but respecting the Brexiteers I would not agree to anything about leaving or remaining, that's done but not dusted. I want to see the British people have the opportunity to agree on whatever deal May comes up with and if people vote against it she would be force to go back and renegotiate further. There should then be another referendum with the understanding that if there was no agreement then it would be an automatic hard Brexit. Because May wants a legal stipulation in the agreement about NI on the time period I can't see why she would object unless of course she knows what she has negotiated is not what the people want in which case she is behaving undemocratically.It is very important that the interests of country are at the core, even May has said this. What we have ended up with is a bunch of morons who put their personal ambitions before the country and then people wonder why the rest of the world laughs at us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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