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Oh yes, they are here.  I don't know if the ones my friends have

installed is exactly the same, but it sure sounds and looks like

it.  I think it is hideous, but it does have AFNOR approval. 

To me, in person, it looks about as sturdy as a wet papertowel, but

what do I know.  AFNOR thinks its okay.

There are many around here.

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[quote user="Lori"]Oh yes, they are here.  I don't know if the ones my friends have installed is exactly the same, but it sure sounds and looks like it.  I think it is hideous, but it does have AFNOR approval.  To me, in person, it looks about as sturdy as a wet papertowel, but what do I know.  AFNOR thinks its okay.

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I've seen lots that look the same, Lori, but I didn't think they were removable.  I thought they got installed into the concrete and that was it.

I agree it looks wibbly and it's not pretty, but sometimes you have to cut your coat according to your cloth!  [:)]

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Our local Bricomarché; Intermarché DIY bit, has a video of removable fencing playing all the time. Looks dead easy to do ( thinks, who is he kidding?). But they have all the bits and if you don't want to use it for the pool it looks as if it would be strong enough for a mesh to protect youe strawberries from small birds, maybe?

John.

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Hi John,

I have to declare an interest - I am the European distributor for Life Saver Pool Fence (Poolfence.com) so reading the above posts I thought that I ought to contribute - although I'm not sure whether the administrators will think this is advertising and remove my reply straight away!

I don't think any other manufacturer or distributor has put their head above the parapet on this forum. I see the alarm manufacturers have declined in the past, but I'm happy to - I have confidence in the product.

There are a number of similar looking products available in France. They mostly meet the requirements of NF P 90-306, although some have self certified so we can't be sure. For those that have been tested and awarded an 'attestation de conformite' I guess the difference between them is really a question of whether they just scraped through or passed with flying colours.

Having seen every one of them displayed at Piscine 2004 and Piscina 2005 I can assure you that there are huge differences in quality of manufacture and materials.

Look at the guarantee offered as a guide to what the distributor thinks of their own product. If it's a year then make your own mind up. If it's 10 or 20 years, then that's a different matter.

I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have on this subject. One thing I can tell you is that the mesh we use has a bursting strength of over 375 psi - I don't think many birds trying to get your strawberries will be quite that powerful!

Bang to rights on how it looks - even the company chairman admits that it's not a pretty product - frankly with the exception of specialist glass fencing at a small fortune a metre none of the fences available are attractive. However they do the job they are designed for, which is to save lives.

Feel free to post any questions and I'll do my best to answer them.

Richard

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John,

That was a year of my life. The dossier number on the 'attestation de conformite' from the Laboratoire National des Essais is : E041043/CQPE/3 dated 5 Jan 05

If you would like to see it as an example of what every product should provide then I'll be happy to email it if you send me your details as a pm.

Richard
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FWIW, we've got it, (yes, your one, Richard).It's not pretty but I expected it to be even uglier, it's remarkably sturdy, very straight and taut and if anyone can tell me how to stop birds from pooing down it then I'll be happy![;)] Oh, and we've got a copy of the conformity certificate so I can confirm it does (or the certificate says it does, anyway, but a week in French legislation is a long time[8-)]...................)
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Hi Richard,

Thank you for your info. My post was a little 'toung in cheek', but as you said, there are fences and fences.

Where our pool is it's not a viable prospect to put a fence around it without doing a major re-think about a mature garden and I do mean major (mind you the snow and freezing rain over the weekend had a good try at that!). I must admit that I didn't know that you could put a self certificated device on the market and call it conforming?

Our device, after a lot of thought, is one of the floating cover types. It took about 4 or 5 hours for me to fit. It's very easy to close over and roll back and seems quite secure when in place. Plus we were offered 3 types of operating, mains powered, solar powered and battery drill powered. The last option was about 1000€ cheaper and is upgradable to either of the others if we wish.. I already have a 24 volt battery drill, so guess which one we have? It works well.

As I have said before though the only way that we will stop accidents is by supervision with the emphasis on 'super vision'. Children will use what ever is available they have to climb fences, lift covers or open 'abris' and one description I have heard for alarms is 'they are a good way to witness a drowning'. It is not possible to always be within 3 mins of reacting to an alarm.

John.

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The title of this thread is someting that concerns me...' Removable Fencing'

Generally with respect to the AFNOR norms I would not expect these words together.

If its 'removable' security that you want, the floating cover that

Jonzjob has described is the one to go for as it will retract for

swiming and the be replaced after for complete secutiy. It offers 3

other benefits as well, you don't need a summer or winter cover, you

cut down evaporation, it keeps the pool cleaner and warmer.

However as far as fencing is concerned I would be astonished if any

compliant fence product was 'removable' without a great deal of work

and tools. Its job is to be there all the time and to protect the

public from the dangers of falling in the pool all the time. The idea

that it can be removed for some reason is contrary to the whole concept

of pool secuity.

I'd be happy to clarify its anyone is concerned.

Andrew

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Hi Andrew,

I know it sounds contrary to say 'removable fencing' but there are valid reasons for it.

Be prepared to be astonished - there are several fences on the market that are easily removable, two american and a number of French made ones, all having been tested by the authorities - I've seen the certificates and - it's a small world - know the people concerned.

People want or need to be able to remove the fence for a variety of motives.

For instance you may need to remove a section when you are getting the accumulated debris of winter out of the pool in the spring. I have a floating slatted cover (electric) on my pool and leaves fall through the between the cover and the pool sides. If the fence is 1m from the water then wielding the net to the middle of a 12.5 x 6.5m pool calls for dexterity and the fence can get in the way at 1m from the waters edge.

If you have an approved winter cover you might want to take it down through the winter anyway or if you had already invested in Alarms (as I had to before my fence or indeed any fences had been approved) you might prefer to take it down when you are in residence yourself (I'm in the middle of nowhere, several kilometers from the nearest small child) and have the alarm as your legal protection.

Having invested, you might even want to take it with you when you move house.

We do offer a permanent latch however that needs tools to remove if people are renting their house and are concerned that clients might take the fence down, or it is a simple matter to make it permanent with the aid of a small L bracket on each section.

That said, it shouldn't be removed for spurious reasons as it is, after all, intended as a passive security device.

Richard

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[quote user="Poolguy"]The idea that it can be removed for some reason is contrary to the whole concept of pool secuity.

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No more so than for any other device, surely?   Covers have to be removable.  

The removability seems to be one of the selling points on the website I linked to above.  Some "satisfied customer" (yes, I know!) comment about how easy it was to remove when entertaining adults or some such.

And that is EXACTLY what I want!!   A pool fence would reduce our outdoor eating area to a strip about 2 metres wide.

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[quote user="SaligoBay"]

[quote user="Poolguy"]The idea that it can be removed for some reason is contrary to the whole concept of pool secuity.

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No more so than for any other device, surely?   Covers have to be removable.  

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....and what's the difference between "removable fencing" and an alarm? At least removable fencing is a bit of a b**** to remove, whereas an alarm can be removed within seconds!!

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[quote user="Croixblanches"]

....and what's the difference between "removable fencing" and an alarm? At least removable fencing is a bit of a b**** to remove, whereas an alarm can be removed within seconds!!

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I'm not sure what your point is, Croixblanches, but I think you've got the wrong end of the stick.

Are you talking about a trespassing child removing it?  I'm talking about ME removing it!  I know the rest of you have endless hectares, but I haven't.   I would like to keep the small amount of usable space that I have, but still be able to have the pool properly protected when I'm not there (which an alarm doesn't do).

Okay?  [:)]

 

 

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