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We are unsure of the age of the sand in our filter so we think that next year we should change it. It looks as if zeolite could be a sensible option according to the posts we have read on this site.  

What have other people asked for, (zeolite presumably?), in what type of suppliers do we get it and what is the probable cost please?  We prefer to support local businesses if possible.

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Like Mikey I got mine from PoolGuy, and I have noticed a big difference in the clarity of the water, and the other bonus is that one only needs to backwash every 2 to 3 weeks, which saves a fair bit of water.

A big warning though is do not be tempted to use any sort of flocculant as it will block up the filtration medium.

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[quote user="Chocolate"]

We are

unsure of the age of the sand in our filter so we think that next year

we should change it. It looks as if zeolite could be a sensible option

according to the posts we have read on this site.  

What have other people asked

for, (zeolite presumably?), in what type of suppliers do we get it and

what is the probable cost please?  We prefer to support local

businesses if possible.

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Chocolate

Send me you email address, phone number and pics of your filter with

the spec lable clearly visiable so that I can estimate the quality of

zeolite for your filter or conversly multiply the sand content by 60%

and thats the amount you will need in Kg.  I'll help you with all

the other info you need including an information sheet.

You're in luck, as I am a Local business.

Andrew

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Thank you for the replies and especially to Poolguy. The advice he gives to all freely is much valued. However, I was looking for a closer supplier than one in the Charante Maritime if possible.

Is zeolite specially imported and/or only sold by Poolguy's company? It sounds just like a generic substance and hopefully should be available from a number of sources. A 'pool' shop? A specialist grit or gravel supplier? A builder's merchants ( just like building sand or cement) ?  Information from a non-customer of Poolguy (my apologies Poolguy. Nothing personal) who lives in the Midi Pyranees  would be helpful.

Many thanks in advance.

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[quote user="Chocolate"]

Thank you for the replies

and especially to Poolguy. The advice he gives to all freely is much

valued. However, I was looking for a closer supplier than one in the

Charante Maritime if possible.

Is zeolite specially imported and/or only sold by

Poolguy's company? It sounds just like a generic substance and

hopefully should be available from a number of sources. A 'pool' shop?

A specialist grit or gravel supplier? A builder's merchants ( just like

building sand or cement) ?  Information from a

non-customer of Poolguy (my apologies Poolguy. Nothing personal)

who lives in the Midi Pyranees  would be helpful.

Many thanks in advance.

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I do not take your post personally Chocolate but you must know that I

do find it bizzare that you are happy to read, benefit from my advise

and improvment options (which is given freely) but not contact me

because I live in another department.

I thought it may also help you to know that ZEL EAU is my own brand and

I am the importer (into europe) from a mineral deposit in the outback

of Australia - as its a prticualy high grade of Zeolite. There are some

other people marketing the same mineral sourced from different places,

but there is no comparison in the quality and consequently the results

and I believe that the price is higher. I do have distributors

throughout France and other countries and the closest one to you is in

the Aude. So if you would like him to offer you service then I propose

that you send me your details so that it may be passed on. Or I can

ship it to you directly as I do for people across France.

I fear that you will wait a long time for a someone else to post on the

subject having used another supplier, as none of the places you list,

including France's impressive collection of 'Pool Shops' with their so

called 'experts' will have ever heard of it much less be able to source

it. If they can chances are that it will be from me anyway.

Its up to you.If I can help then I will.

Andrew

My thanks to Mikey and JJ for their endorsements and help also... thanks chaps.

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I'll also go along with what has been said. Andrew delivered to us and we are further than you chocolate. The stuff is very impressive!

The French 'pool shops' even told me that there is no test for total alkalinity? They really know (not) what they are talking about half of the time??

Andrew, does you guy in the Aude live near to us peut etra?

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When we came to France, we were advised to try to use local businesses for our needs in order to support the local economy in which we lived. We have done that, and I must say have not come adrift yet. Advice, help, support and products bought have been appropriate for each task we have undertaken and results have been quick and satisfactory.

Whilst I have from time to time read the 'swimming pool' section of the forum,  I don't think that information found there has benefited me more than talking to local people, (businesses and other people who have had pools for many years ), once we found the time to persue answers to our problems with them. So far, as I say, we have been very satisfied by local help. We had been advised/thought that it was time to change the sand and I had remembered the zeolite suggestion by yourself to others in the past, came back to the forum and used the search facility. I  wondered what advantages zeolite might have when no-one else locally had suggested it to me. Also I Googled after my last post and came up with yourself as the supplier (which is clearly why no-one else had suggested it), and full details of the product and of zeolite in general, which is really what I should have done before I posted here in the first place.

Thank you for your replies, but we have decided that good though others think your product is, we shall for the moment go back down the re-fill sand route. 

I am sure that many people have benefited from your expert advice and visits to their pools and will continue to do so. 

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A big warning though is do not be tempted to use any sort of flocculant as it will block up the filtration medium.

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Just been reading this and I have just purchased some Zeolite filter media and the product I was thinking of using - Bayrol Complete - contains "clarifiant", which I am unsure could be classed as flocculant.  It states on their website it is safe for catridge filters, but obviously no mention of Zeolite.  Is this likely to gunge up my nice new Zeolite or am I safe?

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You do not say if you have bought ZEL EAU or some other brand.

If it was ZEL EAU then the retailer should have told you that you NEVER use flocculant as you already have exemplar filtration medium and it needs no more help to keep your water clean.

The purpose of flocculant is to aid and improve absolutly hopeless filtration systems - such as sand filtration(40 micron). Its completly crazy situation, as sand is worthless and very poor medium for this job and you are obliged to pay continuously fo flocculant and work to keep it doing anything at all.

But if its thrown away and zeolite put in its place then  .... HEY PRESTO!! you have the very best filtration medium available, with nothing more to pay for over 5 years: its the most convenient, best filtration(1 micron), extracts ammonia, nitrates & phosphates and its not difficult of expensive to install.

Sharkster, if you have bought another brand, it stands to reason that they did not give you any advise or assistance in how to use it. Yes Bayrol Complete has flocculant in - bad choice.Use simple Chlor lent instead.

Andrew

 

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We use zeolite in our filter, and the guy from the firm that installed it was quite clear, no flocculant. 

It was so warm that I diddled my toes in the pool yesterday, still far to cold to swim, but what lovely clear water.

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Sharkster, please hold off using the anti algae, I use to use it a couple of years ago, but after talking with Andrew (Poolguy) he persuaded me that it is not a good idea, in fact it is a very bad idea. I am no expert or chemist, but most anti algae compunds contain metals, these can build up in your water and can cause you many problems, you can end up with a nasty cocktail, I should know I had some problems after using the stuff. I have not used it since

You should not need it anyway if you keep on top of your levels etc.

 

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Right, I did not know that.  So all I need is stabilized chlorine (or javel & stabilizer) and PH+/PH- (or hydrochloric acid and bicarbonate of soda)to keep the pool in balance.  I do not need/should not use, anti algae, floccant or clarifier.  That seems simple, are there any other chemicals that should be introduced?

Out of interest, what was the problem you had with anti algae?

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Sharkster

Yes you are right in your analysis.

The most economical regime for any pool uses the base chemical treatment rather than the commercial bundled branded version.

Hence:

 

  • Sensitisation  - Eau de javel (sodium hypo chloride)
  • pH Balance - Sulphuric acid or hydrochloric acid or dry acid (sodium bisulphate)
  • Stabiliser - cyan uric acid
  • Total alkalinity - bicarbonate of soda

If you are happy to handle these chemicals manually then it’s the best (purest) regime to use, as there are no 'add ons' that you do not need and no not know about.

If you are uncomfortable with handling them then auto dosing is a viable option and there are units available for all pools and budgets.

The reason I don't not agree with anti-algae is that you should not need it if the above is correct, the practice of throwing it in anyway will no help your water quality at all. The are several sorts but the most common is copper sulphate based which is a extremely effective poison and works very well on algae but it can also make humans if it gets to concentrated which it will if you keep on adding and do nothing to get rid of it. Moreover if you get too much of any of the heavy metals in your water then you can have 'plating out' problems where spots of different colour start to appear on the liner. Sequesting metal out of water is a very expensive business.

If you have to use an anti-algae I would only consider using a enzyme base product.

Zeolite helps this process by extracting ammonium, phosphates and nitrates by ion attraction, none of which are wanted in pool water.

Hope that we have helped you.

Andrew

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