Getting in quick

[cooperlola]

Well here's just one after a quick search

http://www.omeris.com/Download/tarifresidencefrance.pdf

and a more general site

http://www.maison-de-retraite.org/

[Teamedup]

Well Cheryla what ignorant comments! we did pay in when we worked in the UK, 27 years worth of stoppages between us. AND we still pay our pensions there. AND I have been told that  that we are going to have to keep paying into the french system, when we leave France, both income tax and social security, AND will be paying into the UK system too, both income tax and social security. Our case is unusual and no one can give me a straight answer about anything. I do know that we will cop for inflated french SS that is for sure.

* I must point out that the french SS insist that they will be billed for our medical stuff in the UK as the E form we will be taking is supposed to work like that. So the likes of you Cheryla will not be paying for us anyway, happy now!

AND also we are not deliberately taking illnesses with us somewhere else and expecting some foreigners to pay for us........ GB is chez moi, c'est tout. And we will for the forseeable future be paying more than our fair share.

 

 I am sick and fed up to the back teeth of the little comments, the comments and the down right digs I have been getting in the recent past from  french people, about brit scroungers, coming to France and working on the black ie not registered and having big houses and big cars and getting the RMI and the CMU free. You betcha  I don't like this happening in France and frankly I wouldn't like it anywhere and we won't be deliberately 'using' any system.

 

 

 

 

 

[Teamedup]

cooperlola, do maison de retraite cover illness, wouldn' t that be a maison de sante, which would probably more expensive as fully qualified nursing staff are employed.

[cooperlola]

[quote user="Teamedup"]cooperlola, do maison de retraite cover illness, wouldn' t that be a maison de sante, which would probably more expensive as fully qualified nursing staff are employed.[/quote]Here's a site in English to help a bit more

http://www.arepa.org/Us/index2.htm

Yes, I think you may be right and it is a maison de la sante which you need.

I'll see if I can find one with costs listed.

[Val_2]

Our local public hospital for the elderly with problems ranging from Alzheimers to complete bed ridden problems charges 49€/day which includes food and staff. I am on the local CCAS and we get many letters from locals who are retired themselves in many instances of having elderly relatives taken into this hospital,who just cannot afford to meet the 50% of the yearly fees charged,hence the reason why the french don't if they can help it, put Mum & Dad into a nursing home or hospital.We then have the horrible chore of deciding if the commune coffers of the CCAS can afford to help pay for some of these people and very often the answer is no,there just isn't sufficient funding left. Those in hospital don't even sell their properties either as often they are not the full compus mentus and in the case of our friend,he has had to get a judge to give him power of attorney over his MIL who has Alzheimers and has been in hospital since 96 but he is not allowed to sell or rent her lovely house out which stands opposite us,her charges are met by her pension and that of her late husband. The treatment is not good either in some of these places,my other parisien friend has her mother here locally and has several times found her to be wet through and stained with faeces because no one came to see to her.

[Pommier]

What I was saying is that if a person is entitled to health cover, benefits or whatever, then it's not in any way cheating the system to claim them. Everyone, whether living in France or the UK pay according to their means towards the general funds for the needs of the entire population. That's a completely different subject to people who work or claim benefits fraudulently, who I would wish to see punished severely.

I would have thought that Teamed Up would pay Income Tax only in her country of residence, whether that's France or the UK, unless she has income arising in both countries, and then she wouldn't pay tax to both countries on the same income. 

[KathyC]

[quote user="Teamedup"]

 

AND also we are not deliberately taking illnesses with us somewhere else and expecting some foreigners to pay for us........ GB is chez moi, c'est tout. 

 

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But you're still ignoring the fact that the British government pays a sum for the healthcare of those with E forms. If you have problems with understanding this then it's hardly surprising that the French don't know about this either. I totally agree with you about scroungers and people taking out when they're not putting into the system but I really don't think that this applies when people retire to France with all the paperwork in place.

[Russethouse]

Cheryla - I think we are talking about National Insurance and the French equivilent.

I expect tax will be dealt with hopefully, under the taxation treaty between France & Britain.

KathyC  Will the sort of services that the OP is talking about,

' 3 times a week someone comes in to do the housework so that she has more time to spend with him; every mornign a nurse comes in to get him up, showered and dressed; once a week someone sits with him so she can have a couple of hours to herself, catch up etc. '

come under the healthcare umbrella ?

 

[LesLauriers]

[quote user="Russethouse"]

KathyC  Will the sort of services that the OP is talking about,

' 3 times a week someone comes in to do the housework so that she has more time to spend with him; every mornign a nurse comes in to get him up, showered and dressed; once a week someone sits with him so she can have a couple of hours to herself, catch up etc. '

come under the healthcare umbrella ?

 

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The local nurse will do bed baths under the health system.

[mint]

leslauriers

acting on the advice of one of your earlier posts on this thread, i have today done the following and hope that this might be of help to others

i have rung newcastle re our e121; have been told to wait until approx 4 weeks before the move whereupon they will send the forms next working day.  the correct telephone (which i had to ring eventually this afternoon) is 0191 218 6503

i also tried to email exclusivehealthcare on their uk number; for some reason, the email didn't go through and after 3 tries, i rang the uk number.  also not a lot of joy there; the phone was answered after several goes and the chap merely gave me the french fax number (without mentioning the number was in france but i worked that one out for myself)

have now faxed the email i couldn't send and i await the answer

at the very least i now have a definite set of actions that i know i have to go through and if not this company, then i will know how to approach others

thank you

[Will]

People who benefit from one country's health or social regime when they may not have contributed to it always seem to touch raw nerves. It is interesting that people frequently say that 35 years or whatever of paying into one country's system should entitle them to benefits in another country. I would have thought that if you opt to sever your ties with your home country, as many contributors to this forum seem overjoyed to do, you stand to lose your entitlement there.

I'm not getting at any particular individuals, it's just a general comment, which probably applies to users of certain other forums more than this one.

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[KathyC]

[quote user="Russethouse"]

KathyC  Will the sort of services that the OP is talking about,

' 3 times a week someone comes in to do the housework so that she has more time to spend with him; every mornign a nurse comes in to get him up, showered and dressed; once a week someone sits with him so she can have a couple of hours to herself, catch up etc. '

come under the healthcare umbrella ?

 

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I'm sure you're right about the housework and the sitting in not being covered by the health system. I hope that the OP wasn't expecting this sort of help to be provided without charge; as she and her husband will be available, surely not? You'd certainly have to pay for it in the UK so why would you expect the French system to cover it for incomers?

[KathyC]

[quote user="Will "]

People who benefit from one country's health or social regime when they may not have contributed to it always seem to touch raw nerves.

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The trouble is that in the UK we generally accept that health care, benefits etc are available to pretty well everyone, from whatever country they come. In fact it's usually only the more right wing types who see this as a bad thing. You get the same situation with educational provision for incomers; we expect that there will be extra language tuition for the children of immigrants and even classes given in their first language. If, as a Brit, you take on all the liberal baggage about trying to provide everything for everyone it can come as a bit of a culture shock to find out that people in other countries don't necessarily share these views. Sometimes it seems as if we're stuck in the middle, getting it from both sides.

[Geranium]

Seeing as there seems to be a concurrent thread about who should get what and pay for what, this is what I also think.  My parents have paid into the system in UK for all their lives. My husband and I have also paid in so far. France and Britain have reciprocal arrangements.

Therefore why shouldn't my parents come here and receive what is available here plus pay for insurance like anyone else.  Presumably those who move here earlier in their lives (and I am in my forties) will pay into the french system for several years but will hope to receive care here when they are older. Should they be viewed as abusing the system?  What should be the cut off point? Should you have lived here and paid french tax for 10 years or 10 months?  If we went down this route then we should all either stay in our country of origin, or if we emigrate we should go private?

Anyway I'm still looking for practical advice and would like to say I'm very grateful to leslauriers who has been brilliant.  Thank you so much.

[5-element]

I wonder if we are not splitting hair when trying to work out who should be entitled to what, and where, UK or France?

Aren't we all Europeans anyway? And therefore entitled to the healthcare that is available in the European country in which we happen to live?

If someone has a particular illness or medical condition, they are going to take it with them wherever they go. Same with getting older, most of us will be needing more specialised medical care wherever we are in Europe. What difference does it make to, say, the UK if it has to pay for someone's medical expenses in France or in the UK, if the medical care is similar? After all, if you leave the UK to go to France, you carry your condition with you, so what does it matter, especially if (as is the case) provisions are not dissimilar, it is all swings and roundabouts... I thought that this was one of the ideas about Europe....

I have an 87-year old mother, who has been French all her life[:)], and living in France all her life. She is still  in her rented little flat (HLM) and gets a home help about 2 hours a week. My mother has a small income and qualifies for some degree of help, but she has to pay for a part of the home help costs. She could also join the "Presence Verte" scheme - I can't remember what the equivalent is called in the UK, where she has an alarm around her neck in case of a fall - but that is also not totally free. She is trying to stay independent as long as she can for all the usual reasons, but also because she could not afford to pay for a nursing home (Maison de retraite medicalisee). She hates them anyway, and all the stories I hear are as bad as one another, whether they are nursing homes in the UK or in France - unless you can pay huge amounts of money AND be lucky, they are going to be *not very nice* to varying degrees. Many French people who live in the north, close to the Belgian border, have been ending up in Belgian nursing home across the border, because they are better, AND cheaper. I am not over-familiar with the provisions for Alzheimer here, although there is a new unit being set up in my town.

[cooperlola]

C'mon settle down! 

If we do our homework properly (is this the problem)? then we should know what we are letting ourselves in for when we move from country to country.  There are reciprocal agreements between European nations which people, with a lot more information than us, at their fingertips, have hammered out in the hope that, one way or another, they can support the health services which each provides. Provided we stick to the rules (which if we are sensible, we will take the trouble to find out before we make life-changing decisions) then there should be no surprises in store.  Our OP (how long ago was that?) was trying to find out what the implications of moving her aged parents over here would be - and many people here have responded with helpful comments.  Why are others jumping out of their trees about this?  Yes, some aspects of the great European system are complicated and unfair.  It must be hard enough trying to run one country - what must it be like trying to hammer out agreements on health care, taxes etc, that satisfy everybody and still cover their costs?

I have French friends in the UK who have set up their businesses there because it is cheaper, English friends who come here to get cheaper housing.  The UK health service is argualbly worse than the French one but one generally needs top-up insurance here. Swings and roundabouts, non?

[B Warner]

[quote user="Leslauriers"]

Exclusive Healthcare, age 75 & OVER     981€

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 Out of curiosity, is this per month?