Jotty Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 These have just come out for 2008.As usual French Universities ( as opposed to Grandes Ecoles) are not in the top 100, and only one in the top 200...!http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article4910798.ece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 But if you count the Grands Ecoles as creaming off the best(?) and therefore compared to other top universities, then the picture is very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 But the Ivy League universities and Oxbridge do the same thing, so how is it different? I also don't understand why France does so very badly in the Nobel Prize stakes. Is it a languge thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucinda Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 The Grand Ecoles are not considered as Universities - they take the very best pupils after Classes Preparatoires (2 years after Bac) - Of my daughters Terminale class 2007/8 over half went to Prepas so they will likely end up in Grande Ecoles and not in the Uni system and are not included in the tables. It's a bit complicated but that's partly why the French Unis don't figure in the top 100! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotty Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 [quote user="John Martin BRADLEY"]But the Ivy League universities and Oxbridge do the same thing, so how is it different? I also don't understand why France does so very badly in the Nobel Prize stakes. Is it a languge thing? [/quote]This year they are doing better...Le ClezioLuc MontagnierFrancoise Barre-Sinoussibut in general France hasn't got a good record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 One can't deny that France has some top level academics, but looking at Nobel Prize recipients by country, France is ranked fourth:France: 57 and that number includes Albert Camus who is also on the Algerian list of recipients.Germany: 101UK: 114USA: 308In rigorous areas like physiology and medicine, France has done very badly with only (I think) five recipients. Maybe they can't be bothered or are too high-brow to accept nomination :-). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 alsohttp://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/1422728/ShowPost.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegwini Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Howzit JohnStrange, but understandable that Germany had a large number of Nobel prize winners before WWII when many talented Jewish scientists etc left for the USA. Some from France too.Similar diaspora of talents from SAfrica. My old alma mater (Witwatersrand University) has had 4 Nobel laureates, including chemistry and medicine, but it is doubtful there will be many in the future.I don't get the impression that French education, or science has much to learn from, for example, the UK and I am equally cynical about these statistics.RegardsTegwini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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