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Read these:

http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/particuliers/F2794.xhtml

http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/particuliers/F17698.xhtml

Most things are on the servicepublic web site.

We always carried all our papers with us when we left the house. I thought that that was the reason that french men used handbags to carry all their papers.

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You are supposed to carry all relevent documents pertaining toyour vehicle and yourself when out in the car, however quite often the flic don't bother with asking for them, they have the insurance vignette and CT sticker if applicable to read but often there are over zealous officers who make a point and a meal of looking at everything. I am now well known to our local boys in blue and they know our cars and never stop us anymore but in the past,its always been "just bring your papers in to the station when passing" and of course this is the countryside where peace is order of the day and everyone knows everyone else which also makes a difference. Yes, many men do carry bags specially for their papers to be taken about easily and I would never ever leave anything in the vehicle regarding papers either.
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Having had my wallet stolen 3 times with my "papers" in it I no longer carry originals except for the carte vitale which has a photo on it so can serve as an ad hoc ID card.

I keep this and one bank card in tiny plastic wallet  in a relatively inaccessible pocket inside other clothes.

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[quote user="AnOther"]I don't understood the perceived problem with leaving the documents in the car, just what real difference does it make to anybody if it does get nicked ?

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Doesn't it make it rather easier for someone to sell on your car?

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It gives a thief your name and address, your papers for the vehicle so they could sell it on and all the trouble you have to go to replace the said documents especially the Carte grise which costs and arm and a leg when you buy a vehicle new. I would never feel safe again knowing some scumbag has all my details and especially where I live.This is the age of identity theft and a lot of stuff can be gleaned from paperwork.
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[quote user="Val_2"]It gives a thief your name and address, your papers for the vehicle so they could sell it on and all the trouble you have to go to replace the said documents especially the Carte grise which costs and arm and a leg when you buy a vehicle new. I would never feel safe again knowing some scumbag has all my details and especially where I live.This is the age of identity theft and a lot of stuff can be gleaned from paperwork.[/quote]

Never carry the original Carte grise, always a copy!

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How does a carte grise in somebody else's name help a thief sell a stolen car, only a green brit straight off the ferry would be daft enough to buy such a car.

So he knows your name and address so what, if he'd targeted your car he'd likely already know where you lived anyway.

Worrying about identity theft from a carte grise is just barmy, you could get just as much information from the phone book !

I'm presuming you've never lost a carte grise because if you had you'd know how easy it is - and free - to get a duplicate (I have BTW), but in any case if the car has been nicked what need would you have of it's carte grise anyway ?

Too much hysteria and not enough rational thought and common sense methinks [;-)]

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quote AnOther

How does a carte grise in somebody else's name help a thief sell a stolen car,

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Not sure ANO, but when my car was broken into, the first question the Gs asked was had they taken the Carte Grise - so if they had, not only the wrong name but a wrong registration number as well.

Clearly those in the know can do things with Cartes Grises that "legitimises" them enough to fool some unsuspecting (and probably not straight off the ferry) soul.
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As far as I am concerned do what the law dictates and carry your Passport and vehicle documents at all times

Having been stopped in France, Spain and Portugal at gun point I have/they had no interest in discussing the finer idiotic English view points

If its a law abide by it, before we know it the UK will be happy for photo copy passports on the basis they turn up a few days later with the original, maybe they do that already
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[quote user="basquesteve"]As far as I am concerned do what the law dictates and carry your Passport and vehicle documents at all times

Having been stopped in France, Spain and Portugal at gun point I have/they had no interest in discussing the finer idiotic English view points

If its a law abide by it, before we know it the UK will be happy for photo copy passports on the basis they turn up a few days later with the original, maybe they do that already[/quote]

A passport is not necessary if you have something else such as a carte vitale with a photo, as I said above::

Justification d'identité

La personne contrôlée doit justifier de son identité.

Elle peut présenter un titre d'identité (carte nationale d'identité,

passeport ou permis de conduire), une autre pièce (document d'état

civil avec filiation, livret militaire, carte d'électeur ou carte

vitale
)

http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/particuliers/F1036.xhtml

If you wish to'do what the law dictates' you have to know what it says...

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[quote user="andyh4"]when my car was broken into, the first question the Gs asked was had they taken the Carte Grise[/quote]Probably just so they could record it and give you the police report you would need in order to get a replacement, nothing more sinister or complicated than that [;-)]

Regarding ID, my CV is always in my wallet but I also have a laminated colour photocopy of the ID page from my passport which has been accepted even for car hire !

For devilment I once offered it for ID when hiring a car in Germany and was very surprised when it was accepted without question especially considering it's got my emergency phone numbers hand written on the back !

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No breathalyser. When they finally appeared in the local supermarket not one was sold so they took them away.

The reason I posted originally was that we were out on a long drive and wanted to share the driving. One of us had left permis at home but we both drove anyway.

I do keep docs in the cars even though one of them doesn't lock properly. Hopefully one day someone will nick that car and I'll get something on the insurance. Unlike my neighbours I don't leave the keys in the ignition - it would probably invalidate the insurance!
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Q: When is a law not a law - when there is no penalty for breaking it of course !

Yes technically the law says you have to carry one but because there is no penalty for not why would you bother ?

I don't and had no intention of doing so even if it had passed into law. I even had a €1 note wrapped in a tenner already in the car for the purpose of paying the pathetic €11 fine if it came to it !

Only the French could come up with a such a stupid law but I reckon it was a sop to Sarkos mate who was boss of Contralco the company which stood to make millions out of producing them and had spent a small fortune on ramping up production and expanding their workforce only to see the market evaporate in front of his very eyes.

One of the reasons it was dropped was because they were in trouble with Brussels for stipulating that they had to be French NF certified which was a blatant breach of free trade rules.

And Sarko reckons he's after a second go, god help us !

He couldn't do worse then Hollande is about the only good thing you could say about it.

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[quote user="dwmcn"]

Kong

Are you saying that the breathalyser is no longer required? We bought ours at the AA shop in Folkstone and are now on our second ones.

David

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Read what ANO said - "Yes technically the law says you have to carry one but because there is no penalty for not why would you bother ?"

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ANO is right about ferries and travel shops etc peddling stuff that isn't required and also right about Sarko's mate manufacturing the alcotest and losing out big time when they couldn't flog the things (except to the travel shops &c!).

There are other idiosyncratic laws such as carrying a spare set of light bulbs. With many modern cars manufacturers advise against attempting to change light bulbs as specialist tools are required. At least they've abandoned the requirement to paint your lights yellow.....
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