Racerbear02 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I notice that M. Hollande ( assuming elected )is proposing a wealth tax on incomes of over 1,000,000 Euros a year, not a problem for most of use, but the article also said that he was planning on changing a lot of the reforms that the dwarf had introduced, I have done a quick search, but can find nothing on his views on AE, does anyone know where he stands on this?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroTrashII Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 pretty clear I think(sorry you'll have to cut and paste the link, my brower won't do 'em)http://blog.lefigaro.fr/legales/2012/02/francois-hollande-et-francois-bayrou-veulent-supprimer-le-regime-de-lauto-entreprene.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 http://blog.lefigaro.fr/legales/2012/02/francois-hollande-et-francois-bayrou-veulent-supprimer-le-regime-de-lauto-entreprene.htmlThere has been a lot of feeling against the system from artisans who feel that it is unfair competition.I don't think anybody has picked up on the Brits who use it as a quick way into the health system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroTrashII Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Shhhhh ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racerbear02 Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 Thanks, I had not found that during my search.Guess the dwarf is best for us then [:(] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Hell no!Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I have no brief for the dwarf but Hollande does sound as if he is making it up on the hoof.AE provides some degree of work for 200000 people so why the hell get rid of it just because a bunch of artisans cant compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I have started a more general thread on the possible impact of the elections on British residentshttp://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/2688549/ShowPost.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thibault Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 How tall is M Hollande? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 A few years ago, before the AE scheme started I had a guest who was a professor at one of the Grand Ecoles in Paris. We had a chat one evening about small (one person) business's in France and it seemed clear to me that they didn't really have a clue and it seems things have not changed much. I think it was Bush senior who allegedly said something like "The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur", probably one of the most sensible things he may have ever said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 "They" being whom Quillan?The would be entrepeneurs, the French or the academics at the Grand ecoles?I am thinking that you mean the French in generalised terms, if so I agree because even seasoned entrepeneurs, professionals and academics have shocked me at their naiveté and lack of knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Driver Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 You make it sound as if no-one in France knows how to run a business......[8-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote user="Chancer"]"They" being whom Quillan?The would be entrepeneurs, the French or the academics at the Grand ecoles?I am thinking that you mean the French in generalised terms, if so I agree because even seasoned entrepeneurs, professionals and academics have shocked me at their naiveté and lack of knowledge[/quote]It was a general term but if the people at the top don't understand, especially those that are grooming the next generation of CEO's and politicians what hope does the fella in the street have. A friend of mine has a son who finished university and started up a high end cycle building business after three years he has given up because of the way the tax and other 'systems' have treated him. Shame really as he was just on the verge of creating a job for somebody. Not a great job mind but better than nothing.With this guy from the Grand Ecole we talked about how Thatcher enabled small business's to start up. Indeed that's how I started. This guy could not get around the fact that out of say every 10 new companies after three years they may be only three or four left but that they would then be employing people. This failure rate, he said, was not acceptable and that they would be looking at maximum of two failing in France. He could not understand that a system that produced three or four new companies that survived and then employed people was better than none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroTrashII Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 It isn't all quite so black and white though is it. In the UK business creation is an industry in itself, that gets through huge pots of EC and UK govt funding. A lot of the businesses that get started, never had any chance of being sustainable. Sorry to be cynical but a lot of new businesses are unwitting vehicles so that the funding councils can (a) make the stats look good and (b) distribute grants for setting up websites, for setting up telecoms, etc, etc, so that the website/telecom/consultants on the approved list make a very good living, and after a couple of years those businesses fold and are replaced by another tide of businesses needing websites etc etc. Well that's how it was in the UK a few years, I worked in that area and it sickened me in the end, the only people that made a secure living were the people who worked for the funding councils and really they were doing nothing constructive for the economy at all, it was just a funding merry-go-round with public money, nobody cared two hoots whether a business was sustainable in the long term or not. To me a business is only worth setting up if it has a chance of success. I think France is probably too extreme in that but equally I think the UK is too extreme the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 "The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur", A typical oxymoron as "entrepreneur" is a french word.Not sure if you are comparing yourself favourably with Bush or exhibitng the same scant knowledge of etymology....mutually speaking,of course.http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=entrepreneur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote user="pachapapa"] "The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur", A typical oxymoron as "entrepreneur" is a french word.[/quote]Indeed, that rather being the point of the joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote user="freddy"][quote user="pachapapa"] "The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur", A typical oxymoron as "entrepreneur" is a french word.[/quote]Indeed, that rather being the point of the joke[/quote]Glad somebody pointed it out to him. [;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I was once told in France, that I didn't understand how a 'club de sport' worked and how 'club's' worked in general. That was the tennis club mafia, most elus, huge subventions for the tennis club and unless you joined and paid a fortune for the priveledge then you couldn't play. And I didn't understand!........I understood all too well what their 'game' was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote user="EuroTrashII"]It isn't all quite so black and white though is it. In the UK business creation is an industry in itself, that gets through huge pots of EC and UK govt funding. A lot of the businesses that get started, never had any chance of being sustainable. Sorry to be cynical but a lot of new businesses are unwitting vehicles so that the funding councils can (a) make the stats look good and (b) distribute grants for setting up websites, for setting up telecoms, etc, etc, so that the website/telecom/consultants on the approved list make a very good living, and after a couple of years those businesses fold and are replaced by another tide of businesses needing websites etc etc. Well that's how it was in the UK a few years, I worked in that area and it sickened me in the end, the only people that made a secure living were the people who worked for the funding councils and really they were doing nothing constructive for the economy at all, it was just a funding merry-go-round with public money, nobody cared two hoots whether a business was sustainable in the long term or not. To me a business is only worth setting up if it has a chance of success. I think France is probably too extreme in that but equally I think the UK is too extreme the other way.[/quote]We are talking small companies here, 'one man bands' as it were which is what the AE scheme is primarily aimed at in France. In the UK the help you got was that it was made easy to set up a limited company, you could get rate free offices if you needed them, you got some tax incentives and things like free banking. All these had a maximum duration. We didn't have an office as such but worked from home although mainly we were on the customers site. The free banking I seem to remember was for the first two years. There were no grants available to us directly and probably not indirectly (like I don't know if the banks and government got money from the EU etc). It was all the little thing which individually had little value yet added together were a great help to a small company starting out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyA Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I think for it to be an oxymoron you would have to say something like "French entrepreneur".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote user="EmilyA"]I think for it to be an oxymoron you would have to say something like "French entrepreneur"....[/quote]There you are I have said it french entrepreneur...The Breton Tuna fishing boat making a magnificent job of pulloing a converted container ship/boat/liner across the Indian Ocean has told the tugboats which have finally arrived on the scene to "frig off" and refused to cede the tow to the tugboats, the tuna boat should arrive in Mahé around 6 CET tomorrow morning, the folks back home in Brittany can look forward to more than a little cash from the salvage.Congratulations to the Bretons and their entrepreneurial spirit.[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Salvage with a big S. Good for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 [quote user="Sunday Driver"]You make it sound as if no-one in France knows how to run a business......[8-)][/quote]Thats unfair.I deliberately said "in generalised terms", and I didnt say all the seasoned professionals............. etc.However if it sounded like that to to you then I must try harder [:(] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 [quote user="Sunday Driver"]You make it sound as if no-one in France knows how to run a business......[8-)] [/quote]I'm pretty sure that's what Bush was trying to say (in his inimitable fashion.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 [quote user="cooperlola"][quote user="Sunday Driver"] You make it sound as if no-one in France knows how to run a business......[8-)] [/quote]I'm pretty sure that's what Bush was trying to say (in his inimitable fashion.)[/quote]Difficult to say with George. Indeed difficult to whinnow the chaff on a thread purportedly dedicated to what HollandE, with an "e" at the end thinks of AE.But nevertheless it is of interest, but completely off topic, to learn that Quillan was, allegedly, capable of apparently in the UK getting an important entrepreneurial trail blazer off the stocks.Not sure what this has to do though with HollandE with an "E".[6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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