[quote user="Bugbear"]Aly This site is worth a look, they look like heavy denim jeans but have a soft-knitted kevlar lining. Also available with hip and knee armour, if required.[/quote] They're pretty good so far, I've got some of these, but I put the Hipro-Tech from Heine Gericke in the hips and knees - very comfy. Not tried out the spill factor in them as yet, only tried it in leathers on one occasion and dainese water proof textiles on another which have huge dainese knee and shin protectors in them - hardly felt a thing! I don't make a habit of it honestly, these were a few years ago - but if I ever happen to again in my hood jeans and hipro-tech protectors I'll keep you posted! Hello to Sunday Driver and Bugbear - read many of your postings, mainly been a quiet member of this forum, but just thought I'd put in my "two penneth" to introduce myself - so be gentle!