The rant was aimed at nobody in particular, apologies for it coming across that way, but i am constantly faced with the English wanting something done for nothing. Basically, the chambre de metiers advised me on how much my hourly rate should be. If all us artisans are on a level playing field with regards to costs, then you win jobs by your standard of work. Too many of the (sorry to use the term but) "2nd home holidayers" love the cheap patch things up workers, but these repairs only last a few months and it ends up as false economy. If i do a job, it is guaranteed for 10 years, but people have to pay the price. My insurance isnt cheap and neither are the stupidly high cotisation charges that the government have in place. (They are trying to put us all out of business and make us work for companies) But we need a bit of straight talk here. If you are not happy with a quote/devis, go and get another one, and another until you are happy with the price. The problem also is that many artisans, both french and english have too much work on, so they can afford to over quote on devis, because one in ten people will just say yes to a high priced job to get the work done.