richard51

You obviously have forgotten rose gardens in the UK. Superb in UK too. Aren't gardens in france more for vegetables?

Here we go again. You really have to name call like a child. "us" : are you speaking for the world or a subset thereof. Empty?

Its a problem for the partIES that lost because of system. The partY with power is rarely elected with the majority of the voters, yet can have a "sweeping mandate". The current system does not encourage consensus. I really find it strange that people cant accept that obvious point. The two party system may have "worked" years ago but over recent years definitely not. WB and I appear to have totally opposed views, yet if there was a proportional system I'm sure there would be more agreement than disagreement. Main difference is that I don't think that there is a god of money.

Do you think that it is not a problem?

"Interesting" situation in the Gulf. Bit of a problem that the UK is, as normal, following the US aggression approach. Remember the "Gulf of Tonkin"? A situation there very much twisted to create war as revealed after the event. Remember weapons of mass destruction? Just do not assume. America First or is it their proxies

brexit party got 30% of popular vote but 40% of the seats. From a low turnout. Rather bizarre but they would not have had a majority if in coalition with conservtives but would have if with labour!!

The brexit party were far from a majority whether the present system or by proportional representation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_European_Parliament_election_in_the_United_Kingdom

The point is that proportional representation is a much more equitable system compared to the present If the "ancient" system overall favours labour more than conservative then how come we have the recent election figures that I've quoted.

Dont know your source for that but not when boundary changes kick in. For the 2017 election: conservative to labour seat ratio was 1.21, whereas popular vote ratio was 1.06. For the 2015 election the same ratios were 1.42 and 1.21 respectively. Same wiki source. NB SNP got 4.7% of seats yet 3.0% of popular vote. The likes of far right Israel and Hungary and indeed now the US are that because of their voters exploited racist nature.

So: In the last election the DUP got 8 seats with a popular vote of 292,316. Lib Dems got 8 seats with a popular vote of 2,371,910. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_election

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Yes - I think he would have appreciated that.

Yes - I think he would have appreciated that.

Yes - I think he would have appreciated that.

Yes - I think he would have appreciated that.

Just because something is common does not make it acceptable. The Mint argument is pertinent because the whole argument for Brexit nowadays is that it was "democraticaly" voted for yet the future is now being decided by small groups of extreme people. It was a narrow vote in the referendum. Now that the situation arround leaving is clearer I see no reason why another vote cannot be given to the people. Corbyn wants an election and would indeed provide a more socially acceptable government IMHO but I'd be happy with another peoples vote. The two party system did indeed stitch up the referendum some time back that looked at proportional representation.

Classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9qh0upjgs0&list=RDHdTFeW8FCto&index=2 In memory of Lemmy and my brother in law who managed to cruise Route 66 before his death 2 weeks ago.

Ha effing ha - you pathetic idiot.

Enjoy your vegetables.

OK that proves it. Not even funny. How sad. Bye

I'm not sure if that is pathos, sarcasm or plain stupidity.

WB asked about understanding it. Hopefully putting it into context and not just using different words to explain may make him less thick. Alas - no.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2019/06/angela-rayner-social-justice-not-merely-social-mobility-labour-s-priority Context is everything.

Of course I was referring to a wifi connection to a computer and not being able to get a sms signal that route. I was not aware of wifi-calling on compatible modern smartphones but it would not be much extra benefit to me if there is no wifi around on ones travels. Perhaps in a few years time.

Superb.